I support Page 3, who's with me?

beth, no-one is blaming your evident lack of sense on the fact that whisk doesn't agree with you. The two things are both true, and unconnected with each other.

Actual Muttley laugh here!

Shitters . Is it that dangerous feminist agenda issue again,

BINGO

"These people are dangerous."

Sticks and stones love.

Rapists,Pedophiles and murderers are dangerous. Or are they just expressing their sexual desires? Free speech/thought and actions yeah?

Maybe she was 'influenced' (not by me, I might add because I've not played the damn song or had the music channels on), but she still understands what's wrong with it. She gets it in a way you never will.

And if she is influenced, I'm glad she's under the right kind of influence rather than the kind who believe we're all just sexual beings and that's what matters.

You know, if I were an internet troll, which I'm not, I would stop using grammatical constructions that beg for snarky replies.

beth, no-one is blaming your evident lack of sense on the fact that whisk doesn't agree with you. The two things are both true, and unconnected with each other.

just because you don't agree with me, it doesn't mean I don't have any sense.

And like an ever spinning wheel op, we return to the need for evidence. Just a shred would do.

Even my phone is giving up.

But you haven't been influenced by society at all?

Are yo

So, erm, if it is not mysognistic words or imagery that needs to be tackled what am I supposed to be doing as a feminist?

Or Beth, do please tell me!

K8 that's a horrifying image.

One of my pet hates is the over-general use of the term 'literature'.

'Literature' should not refer to political or ideological writing, IMO. War and Peace is 'literature'; The Second Sex is not.

However, despite the use of a high-sounding word to justify the fact you imagine we're not like writers of 'literature', actually, yes, these are part of the same thing.

It's called feminism.

(Oh, and I'm on the bandwagon with the sacking of men! Ooh yes! My DH first, please, the penis-bearing misogynist that he is, earning the money and supporting my witterings on the net.)

Yeah, right, everything that's wrong in the world can be blamed on feminism and political correctness

You missed the bit just before page 4 LRD where Dworkin whilst posing in a pair of pale pink lacy pants, outlined just how liberating objectified pictures of women are.

And you call yourself a feminist. You're not half the feminist Beth is!

I know posters on here who are younger than you and have more sense!

OP, you are embarrassing yourself.

I'm embarrassed for you.

This is one of the most depressing things I've come across on this site. My daughter is 12. She is not a sexual object (and never fucking will be, thanks) and is leaps and bounds ahead of you, OP, in her 'free thinking' already. She can spot sexism a mile off (like that Blurred Lines song, which she won't listen to because she's twigged what it's about) and has figured out (without my input) that Page 3 is objectifying women in a way that is wrong.

My sons are 9 and 5 - I don't buy The Sun, but their Dad (my ex) does and did when we lived together. Do I want them growing up thinking that's what women are for? No, I don't.

And at the risk of being deleted I can say this to you - you are a child. I read your other thread about your step-son. Except he isn't because you are 10 years older than him, he couldn't even technically be your child because you were a child when he was born. He is not going to call you Mum and give it a few years and your desperation to be cool and hang out with him is going to embarrass him.

When you have kids of your own, I hope you look back at your posts and your attitude here and are ashamed of yourself. And I hope to God you never have a daughter because your idea of feminism is shocking.

Don't worry, beth, I don't think your lack of understanding of historical issues is down to your age either.

I'm totes unradical myself, as we twentysomethings are wont to be. But which bit of Dworkin did I miss, where she discussed how page 3 is, like, well liberating?

Im 26.

Not even as a teenager did I think men "needed" page 3.

My father taught me better than that.

Clearly you don't, if you think feminists challenging sexist language is anything new.

I cannot be part of this movement.

^NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

This is the worst thing that happened to Feminism since Robin Thicko.