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School uniform rule - girls not allowed trousers

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Fisharefriendsnotfood · 10/01/2014 18:04

I'm wondering if I can call on the collective wisdom of you good people to help me construct my argument in the best way.

Dd (5) and yr 1 attends a local R.C primary school that I am more than happy with. She suffers from recurrent thrush and this year I noticed that when she wore tights under her pinafore it seemed to exasperate the problem. I checked the school prospectus for details because I have never seen a girl in trousers at the school and it states that girls must wear a pinafore or skirt as school uniform..

I then emailed the head and explained the issue and asked for clarification on the rules and she said that the last time the issue came before the chair of governors they decided not to introduce trousers as part of the girls uniform. She was very sympathetic and pleasant and said that if I got a doctors letter perhaps she.could allow it.

Now, there is no way dd would wear trousers if no one else was and I also feel that this would high light the issue / invite questions into something that is no one else's business.

So Grin if you are still with me, I want to get the issue raised again with the chair of governors because I cannot think of any valid reason in this day and age why girls should not wear trousers if the want to. I have to speak at a parent voice meeting and if I can muster enough support the issue will be on the agenda of the next governors meeting where I can present my argument.

Where to start? Can anyone offer pointers?

Sorry for the essay Smile

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Fisharefriendsnotfood · 14/07/2014 20:09

Thanks Smile

Can I ask anyone on here that would like to see a mumsnet campaign to give hq a shout please

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TeWiSavesTheDay · 14/07/2014 20:07

Okay, in that case Department of Education is the top of the chain. Any petition would need to say England not UK.

Fisharefriendsnotfood · 14/07/2014 20:03

Yes I'm in England

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TeWiSavesTheDay · 14/07/2014 19:46

Oh no hang on that one was rejected... Are you in England OP? We might have some devolved powers issues with directly appealing to the gov.

TeWiSavesTheDay · 14/07/2014 19:37

Someone's already started one here:epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/46794 only 1 Sig so far though, let me see what else I can find

TeWiSavesTheDay · 14/07/2014 19:32

Does the head seem a vindictive sort? Will there be comeback for your kids if you keep going?

Approaching the lea and mp seem like sensible next steps in the polite persistence vein.

Otherwise we could skip straight to girl's must have option to wear trousers, national campaign...

whereisshe · 14/07/2014 19:16

Oops....
...as if it's just an opinion you have and let's all agree to disagree. It's not, there is a larger principle at work - the school is at odds with societal opinion that discriminating against people on the basis of gender is wrong (in this case forcing girls to wear less practical clothing that limit their participation).

The head is also being wildly hypocritical - if the majority of parents support the tradition argument why is she worried about the publicity? Surely if she's so sure she's right she would assume the article will be greeted with choruses of support for the school. No?

whereisshe · 14/07/2014 19:13

The head is creating a false equivalence by telling you to find a school you "agree with", as if it's merely your opini

Fisharefriendsnotfood · 14/07/2014 18:47

That's what I said fed up !

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leggingsarenottrousers · 14/07/2014 18:19

I can't believe how ridiculous this is and how many schools seem to follow this line of thinking.

I would absolutely sign/support etc. any petition or campaign. It should be illegal for schools to do this.

ReallyFuckingFedUp · 14/07/2014 17:57

If you want a campaign maybe put this in to chat or their campaigns section with an outline explaining what you want and why? not that you shouuld have to epxlain why girls and boys have the right to the same things in 2014

ReallyFuckingFedUp · 14/07/2014 17:45

If they think they are doing the right thing...how is it ruining the reputation of the school!?

Surely they should be proud to have an article discussing their "traditional ways"

Fisharefriendsnotfood · 14/07/2014 17:07

Will to live Grin

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whatdoesittake48 · 14/07/2014 16:27

Wow. Just adds weight to your argument. But unless you get the backing of other parents you might find it hard to keep going. Can you drum up support? This is something that need high level backing. What about your mp?

Fisharefriendsnotfood · 14/07/2014 16:20

Try and get hq behind a campaign? I don't know.. I'm losing the will to love

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TeWiSavesTheDay · 14/07/2014 16:14

What the hell? That's awful Fish. You haven't done anything wrong.

What are you going to do next?

Fisharefriendsnotfood · 14/07/2014 16:04

Update:

I have stayed away from this because The Times were interested in running an article on this. Photographer to house etc. It was supposed to run on Saturday but got reduced to a tiny snippet.. Now they won't run full story. Head is going insane because they contacted her for a quote so she knew about it.

She told me today I had to right to threaten the good rep of school etc and I said it's all the truth and I wasn't going to apologise or drop it. She told me I should find a school I agreed with and take my children and get out Hmm.

Can't believe it. Such such hypocritical bigots

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bucketofbathtoys · 10/07/2014 12:28

I am right behind you Fish - it makes my blood boil. Two RC schools near us are the same and it put me right off them. (we are RC)
Skirts and PINK gingham dresses only for girls. Jumpers for boys, cardis for girls. White knee sock, no practical grey socks for girls.
My DD (4) hates skirts and dresses. She is utterly sad if made to wear one. She is always covered in mud and wears boys trainer type shoes.
It definitely influenced my choice of school as it was about the overall attitude to girls. I visited the 2 schools and found them formal and old fashioned in other ways e.g. different sports for boy and girls

Her school is mixed ethnically and they can all wear any combination of the uniform. They all wear polos, fleeces, cardis or jumpers. She wears long culottes (as do many of her friends) then tailored trousers in the winter. She wears shorts in the summer. She has optional gingham dresses but only wears on the odd occasion. A boy in her class laughed at seeing her knickers and teased her, so that was the end of them...

I do think its a serious issue that needs challenging - there was a long tread about it in Primary Ed recently.

IdealistAndProudOfIt · 10/07/2014 11:52

Tradition is a stupid argument for a primary school when only 30 years ago it was normal for primary schools not to have a uniform at all. So this tradition is how old exactly?

I hate school uniforms for this age group (and I speak as a hand-me-downs girl who didn't half hear about it).

ReallyFuckingFedUp · 09/07/2014 09:01

Did MNHQ get back to you about your idea for a campaign OP?

TeWiSavesTheDay · 09/07/2014 08:18

Sorry to hear they're being so slow.

I have been thinking about this a lot too - got to do school run but will come back later!

whereisshe · 09/07/2014 08:06

OP I've been lurking on the thread from the start and in completely on your side. I'm very seriously considering adding trousers-permitted-for-girls to my school selection criteria but I share your worry about disadvantaging DD over it. I've requested a mumsnet campaign, will see how we go. Have you also considered a petition on change.org eg?

Misfitless · 08/07/2014 21:31

Oh no Sad.

So they're making you wait till September?

Surely as a parent with concerns about a school issue, they have to report back within a certain time frame?

That's such a long time.

I'm so disappointed in them, and my DCs don't even go to that school, goodness how you must be feeling about it all, Fish.

UptoapointLordCopper · 03/07/2014 18:14

So frustrating. Angry Angry

Fisharefriendsnotfood · 03/07/2014 14:19

So, I got a letter today from the chairman of board (local priest) saying the reasons for the boards decision would be on the minutes of the meeting which would be publicly available after meeting in autumn term. And there is no right to appeal. So they aren't even polite even to reply to me. Hmm

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