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Disney Princesses

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annabellesmum123 · 08/01/2014 18:55

Why is Disney's image of a Princess so popular today?! My DD seems to aspire to Cinderella like nobody's business! I was just wondering seeing as the princesses seem to just make women seem purely there for the use of men and as sexual

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SingSongSlummy · 24/01/2014 13:56

Thanks for this thread. DD1 who is just 4 has suddenly entered the princess phase and I have just showed her Tangled and Cinderella. She got some princess costumes for Christmas and I had started fretting that I was helping her down the wrong path with this somehow. Can someone tell me which film Merida is in as I haven't heard of that one? Off to look up cinema times for Frozen....

PuppyMonkey · 24/01/2014 13:55

My DD loves Merida from Brave, though (Merida's not after a bloke, she kicks ass to save her mum). Grin

lauralouise90 · 24/01/2014 13:52

PrincessTeaCake - I love your view on this and I completely agree. All the Princesses have layers to them other than looking for their prince.

Personally though i don't see why looking for your prince is considered a bad thing. The princesses all find the perfect person for them and don't settle for anything less (eg Belle & Gaston) - surely it's a good message to pass onto DDs that the perfect person for you is out there?

wigglesrock · 21/01/2014 14:47

princessteacake I found it interesting too. I'm actually watching Cinderella now, I forgot how much of it was animal animation. We're 20 mins in & I think Cinderella has been in it for about 5 mins. It's all about the cat & mouses!

pinkthechaffinch · 21/01/2014 12:57

princessteacake, I found your post really interesting.

blackandwhiteandredallover · 21/01/2014 12:48

Frozen made me cry Blush I agree it's much better than the other disney princess films.

Rubybrazilianwax · 21/01/2014 12:43

For me its about balance. Dressing up as a princess is just another role play.( So far today dd 4 has worn a belle dress, a luminous workmans jacket and tool belt and now one of myscarfs as a sari) I can't understand why people get so worked up about the whole princess toys/films etc influencing girls. If you are going to raise a daughter who falls for the hype, then shame on the parents for not reinforcing a sttonger message. Disney will churn it out as long as people buy it, its not like Disney make it their mission to be anti feminist, they just want to make money.

Edenviolet · 20/01/2014 09:01

My dd2 loves disney princesses and everything pink and glittery. She keeps asking for make up as well and she's only four.

In comparison dd1 at the same age only liked spongebob (and wore her costume every day!), enjie benjy and had a brio set that she loved. Ds1 liked dresses (only blue ones though as apparently they were ok for boys according to him?!) and ds2 often wants to wear dd2s ballet skirt.

I'm not bothered at all about dd2 loving all things pink and princessy, at some point she will like something different the choice is hers. She really adores elsa from frozen and keeps saying that she's like elsa as elsa isn't perfect (I think its the bit in the song where she sings "that perfect girl is gone").

wanderings · 20/01/2014 08:56

Frozen. A refreshing change from the older Disney Princess stuff.

PrincessTeacake · 10/01/2014 22:34

Ah, you just hit on one of my most passionate argument subjects. Prepare for incoming wall of text.

When Walt Disney started his company, it was far from the mass-media conglomerate it is now, it was a two-room studio where his wife washed rostrum plates in between frames to save money. The Disney princess line-up features princesses whose films were made in 1937, 1950 and 1959.

Snow White, for example, is the very definition of 'Fair for its Day.' It was extremely pioneering for its time, and made by a skeleton crew not to appeal to little girls and sell toys, but to be screened to everyone as a feature film. It was based on a centuries old folk tale (chosen because it's in the public domain and no royalties need to be paid) and because animating realistic figures was difficult, most of the film is made up of the dwarves doing cartoony things because they're just easier to draw.

Cinderella is a similar story, Disney had lost a lot of money with Fantasia and was looking to make it back with a family-friendly, accessible tale that wouldn't put strain on the studio. Roughly half of the film is slapstick with the mice because again, that's easier and cheaper to animate.

To judge the early princesses by today's standards is like judging Gone With The Wind on its marginalized negro characters and Metropolis on its special effects; it's just not fair. Heavy market-influenced tailoring to sell the films to specific demographics didn't start happening until the late seventies, early eighties, and Disney did try to make its princesses more progressive. That said, it is difficult to write compelling female characters when your studio is hiring a mostly male crew to storyboard, and very few females were working in animation back then.

Princesses aren't bad, democracy is a relatively new thing to Europe at large and the easiest way for any woman to survive comfortably up until quite recently was to marry well into high society, and marrying a prince was the ultimate version of that. Taking Disney's Cinderella as an example, how else was she going to escape her situation? Run away? In what looks like pre-revolutionary France? She would have ended up in a brothel, as a scullery maid to an even worse person or just dead in a ditch. And she would have lost all her friends and her childhood home in the process. Also, her relationship with her stepmother was a pretty clear example of extreme emotional abuse and a quick look at the narc threads over in Relationships will tell you how hard it is to just cut and run.

Being a Disney princess doesn't automatically mean the character is devoid of any worth to a girl watching. Merida and Belle are quite strong yes, but they all have their good qualities. Snow White is nurturing and firm with the dwarves, Cinderella is all about keeping hope in a horrible situation (very useful if, like me, you grew up with someone who drove a steamroller over your sense of self-worth) Ariel is a risk-taking idealist etc.

If you find the films and the merch a bit dry, might I suggest Amy Mebberling's Pocket Princesses series on Tumblr? She draws little comics of them all living together, it adds a lot of depth to their characters and it's downright adorable. I especially loved how she dressed them all up as past and present Doctor Whos.

amymebberson.tumblr.com/

LittleSweetheart · 10/01/2014 22:06

Lovecat I am taking DD to see Frozen this weekend...do you think Hollywood is FINALLY catching on to the whole 'girls who like Princesses are also pretty spunky' thing?

Lovecat · 10/01/2014 11:45

Disney is a massive corporation who, with the advent of cable tv and DVDs, have cornered the market in fairy tale adaptations - when I grew up you NEVER got to see Disney on telly apart from in tiny clips and they only released about 3 movies a year to the cinema in rotation, so there were a fair few different versions of Snow White/Cinderella/Sleeping Beauty, etc., mainly in books.

As for Princesses themselves... purely from observation I think girls go through a Princess phase - I saw another MNer a while back refer to it as Princess Fever, which is quite apt - everything has to be pink/frilly/glittery. However, when DD went through her own version of this, I was amused and interested to see that when in her princess dress, she was not a victim waiting for her prince to rescue her, she was more of a mini-termagent ("I'm the Princess so I'm IN CHARGE!") and the game involved bossing everyone else about... :)

Having seen Frozen I would really recommend it as an alternative Princess movie - it passes the Bechdel Test with flying colours, has brilliant songs and the princess sisters are brilliant together. It also rubbishes the idea of love at first sight ;-)

PenguinsDontEatKale · 09/01/2014 12:51

Do you mean why the Disney image, or why princesses?

I think the Disney image is so prevalent because their cartoons are the classic rendition of many traditional fairy tales and they are a big corporation who own the rights to the images. Why they all have to be sexualised and made over (a la Merida) to be a Disney Princess I have no fucking idea.

As for why princesses, I think it has a lot to do with the drive to render toys applicable to one gender or the other, doubling (or so) the market by limiting hand me downs, etc.

WidowWadman · 09/01/2014 12:23

Read Peggy Orenstein's "Cinderella ate my daughter" - very enlightening.

To be honest I don't fret half as much as I used to. My daughter's favourite Disney princess is Rapunzel, which I don't think is that bad, and she enjoys many other things other than pink glittery crap, too

StormEEweather · 09/01/2014 12:18

It's so hard to avoid, isn't it? My DD got the Cinderella DVD for Christmas and a relative took her to the ice skating show. When she asked me who my favourite princess was recently I said Pearl from Julia Donaldson's Zog, because she is a doctor.

SplitHeadGirl · 08/01/2014 21:29

I think it has to be the marketing...the beautiful dresses, the shoes, the lovely songs. My little daughter is so adventurous - she climbs trees, jumps in puddles, plays with spiders, hides in our attic, is ALWAYS on her scooter, yet she LOVES her princess dresses! Confused

All I can do is point her in the direction of Merida and Belle, who are decent role models, and telling her I am hiding not finding the other dresses, wherever they are...Wink

annabellesmum123 · 08/01/2014 18:56

*objects it just doesn't seem right!

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