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Gutted to discover that my BF is a misogynist.

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YouAreMyRain · 08/12/2013 21:44

He believes that women who do manual work should be paid less as they tend to be given the easier jobs which are less physically demanding.

He thinks that life/business/politics is now a completely level playing field for women. I pointed out the lack of female world leaders compared to men, his response is that it is due to less women aspiring to be prime minister etc.

I also pointed out that business done eg on the golf course excludes women. He thinks that women should take up golf.

I have accidentally had a baby with this man. I am beyond gutted, I am devastated. I'm not sure I can continue in this relationship now Hmm

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scallopsrgreat · 09/12/2013 14:58

Plus the workload of a sports person is mainly off pitch/court/arena etc. You may train in different ways to be a sprinter rather than a marathon runner but the effort put in is probably similar. Male footballers on the other hand...

snowshepherd · 09/12/2013 14:57

I think that the women tennis player should play 5 set in the major tournaments. All players should be fined for grunting/screaming.
I think that pay should reflect the public demand/sponsorship. I think that if the men's and women's major tournaments were played separately then you could definitely see a case for paying the men more.
It should be 5 sets all round

PenguinsDontEatPancakes · 09/12/2013 14:45

That 'tennis player' argument is such rot. I point out in such circumstances that sports personalities are not paid by the hour.

If they were:

-women footballers would earn the same as male ones
-cricketers would earn fantastically more than footballers on a 'per match' basis;
-sprinters would earn far less than marathon runners. A tiny fraction in fact!

I also point out that, if a football match suddenly became 85 minutes instead of 90, it wouldn't radically change the workload of a footballer because time spent on the pitch in a match isn't what the workload revolves around.

whatdoesittake48 · 09/12/2013 11:44

the problem is that men hate to feel guilt over these issues. they want to believe that they have achieved what they have through their own merits. To admit that women get a harder deal, it is to admit that he has had it easy.

I understand where you are coming from - but look at it this way. Your OH has never had first hand experience of these things. he has never had to fight for something just because of his gender. he is looking at things in a very sanitised way because that is his experience.

men tend to think that women should just adjust the way they work or do things to get ahead - because that it how it works for him. he wants a promotion - he asks for one. it just doesn't occur to him that there are so many barriers for women which prevent us even taking that initial step.

I have had the whole - should women tennis players get paid the same as men argument with my OH too. he just thinks it is fair to get more money for more work. there is no real malice involved in that opinion. he just sees it as being fair enough.

Men seem to think that physical work is harder - therefore men should be paid more. it is a ridiculous argument (it is effort which we should be judged on), but i doubt it is enough to break up over.
if he isn't willing to take the time to understand your point or to at least agree to differ - you have another issue on your hands.

Buy wife work and ask him to read it. Do you have examples in your own life you could point out to him.

My husband had much more sympathy for me when i started to tell him about the everyday sexism experiences I had. he became quite angry about one or two of these in fact.

TheDoctrineOfSanta · 08/12/2013 23:02

Sometimes people can appreciate their own prejudice more when it's "converted" to racism - anything he's come out with where this might help?

Vatta · 08/12/2013 22:29

Well...that sounds ignorant, mainly wilfully naive, rather than downright nasty IYSWIM?

I'd be very upset/angry if my DH came out with any of that, but if you have a child with your boyfriend I suppose it's worth trying to salvage this.

Maybe you could give him some books/articles to read - tell him you disagree with him, are upset by his views, and he needs to learn a bit more about these issues then discuss it again?

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