AIBU to think that if MN are willing to boycott certain groups on ethical grounds

I can do sarcasm too

Yes, it wasn't inflammatory at all sue.

The mumsnet sucks peeps have probly all moved over to reddit anyway - that's where a lot of the mra invasions come from now.

I was flipping between reading this thread and reading another blog just now when I read this on here:

'When you defend them, you are speaking up for them, treen. Why are you defending them?'

It kind of tied in with a comment from the blog I was reading, the part about 'Others who are under the influence will then band together to persuade the person emerging that they are wrong or not thinking straight', although I'm guessing treen isn't a feminist, so not quite the same.

Here's the comment in full, 'cos I just know you'll appreciate it. Incidentally, this woman is an ex-feminist...

"In actual fact, the letting go of the feminist myth was a bit like coming out of a severely alienated state. It happens in shades, in layers and it feels like coming up from the depths of one consciousness into another. Feminism as a belief system, as a structure, alienates men and women from the whole of who they are in my view and teaches that only one way of being is the ‘right way’ all others are wrong. Just like an alienating parent, this teaching of the belief system is inculcated and kept in place by behavioral tweaks and, often, threats of exclusion from the community. As the alienation lifts, these can escalate, with threats becoming overt against the person to keep the belief structure in place and the person under the influence of the dominant belief structure. Others who are under the influence will then band together to persuade the person emerging that they are wrong or not thinking straight and will point out examples to ‘prove’ how dangerous changing one’s thinking is, often using personal issues from the past to confuse or dizzy the emerging person so that clarity is lost and the fear which is generated pulls the person back into the fold, where the group psyche is then loving and welcoming so that the struggle to get free is forgotten as fear subsides. Am I saying that feminism is like a cult? Yes, I think I probably am."

"Sue - your post drips of sarcasm"

Well, yeah... I was being really sarcastic.

"and yet you linked to a reddit page recently to gleefully tell us all that one of our threads was being talked about on there.... I'm sure it was you."

Don't really get the "and yet" bit, how are the two related? Yes, I linked to a reddit thread about the "men pooing" discussion. And?

My bad - problem is by focussing on one badly worded sentence, the point as a whole is missed

Sue - your post drips of sarcasm, and yet you linked to a reddit page recently to gleefully tell us all that one of our threads was being talked about on there.... I'm sure it was you.

They certainly don't grennie - they are just constantly accused of it.

And feminists on MN are not hateful and don't link to hateful blogs.

Sabrina, hatred is bad. It is within many groups, but you can see the minority for what they are.

Feminists aren't man haters just because some are. Many groups are like this

"Mumsnet Sucks. They orchestrate mra invasions to MN quite publicly."

Is this the Facebook group who's latest two posts were in February, and prior to that, June 2012?

Or the Wordpress site last updated in September 2011?

I'm sure they must be a constant burden...

Can you provide some links to reasonable, middle-of-the-road MRA websites Treen? I've Googled and I haven't been able to find any.

Nope. No matter what I do, I can't seem to see past anti-women hatred.

It's funny how the anti-feminist ones are hateful! Not.

That's the extreme for you. Extreme feminist blogs are hateful.

But you can see past it can't you?

There may be a range - but the anti-feminist ones are all hateful...add anti-misandry to the list too, and Mumsnet Sucks. They orchestrate mra invasions to MN quite publicly.

Do they all say the same thing? Or is there even a range between the more extreme ones?

Treen44444 Fri 01-Nov-13 19:04:56
Sabrina,.........You don't think there are any sub-groups or branches within the movement. You are deliberately being misleading.
This type of lying will only inflame both movements.

There you go, paperlantern.

There are a few, actually, treen. I've probably seen them all over the years. I've yet to see a reasonable one.

Here's a clue for you: VFM, J4M&B, F4J - all mra and anti-women.

Movember: campaigning/fundraising for men's health issues - not mra.

again can't see where treen accuses you of lying

Sabrina, sorry, I did realise you were using one extreme website.
You have to be selective, you can be mislead. There are some websites out there misrepresenting feminism, Islam, etc.

the problem is the label. I have no problem with someone labelling themselves as something. but labelling another person as something is dangerous and wrong.

"you don't need to shout at women for trying to improve their lot as it has fuck all to do with them"

Is there an emoticon for "can you really not see the hypocrisy?" I guess is closest.

treen, I would appreciate if you would stop accusing me of lying. I am going by the websites that the mra themselves link to. To supposedly 'educate' us.

but she didn't actually express support for MRA. it was assumed she did

Paperlantern, it is not unreasonable to ask a poster to explain the rationale underpinning the opinions they express.