AIBU to think that if MN are willing to boycott certain groups on ethical grounds

actually I wouldn't have a problem with automatically rebanning an IP address which would solve the problem.... I wonder if that is possible?

MNHQ does ban a lot of MRA trolls (often multiple times, the fuckers just keep re-registering ) if they judge that they are here to goad, they're very pretty hot on getting rid of the previously banned users too - who become easily recognisable after you've been here a while.

My personal opinion is that MRAs spout hate speech in the same way that the BNP/EDL does - you only have to look at their websites to see that they are thinly veiled incitement for hatred, and even violence against women, perpetuate rape culture and so on. The obvious ones now often start their posts "I'm not an MRA but...." and then spout a load of MRA nonsense.

I don't really mind that their posts are often left to stand - the rebuttals by MNers are usually so very good that they don't stand a chance. But I do sometimes think that if they just automatically deleted all the posts of banned users, they would be less keen on re-regging over and over. It's a problem, but I find the er, "subtle derailers" more annoying tbh. And they're are plenty of them about, staying under the radar.

Banning a whole group of the population seems fairly horrific, Catch them quick when they break better

There is a choice everyone make to post and engage with someone who is considered to be a troll or not. No one forces you too

you have a choice how to phrase what you say without it being deleted. The rules are there no one forces you to break them.

IMO the mumsnet rules are good, they support free speech whilst allow a mechanism for getting rid of people who break the rules.

Report report report. I reckon in 50% of posts or trolls I report are deleted. usually pretty quick. I have on occasion reported myself where I have stepped pretty close to the line.

The danger is that a group calls troll when anyone presents an opposing opinion. Troll hunting can cause distress to genuine posters.

Without freedom of speech there can be no discussion without discussion there can be no freedom. Women will always lose in that scenario

Yes Mildred. The reality is we spend our time trying to make things better for women.

Look, when women are in charge, let's all try really hard not to oppress men, ok? Let's all try to have the imagination to remember that it was not very nice and not rape them, starve them, pass them about amongst ourselves as possessions, humilate them, or call ones we don't know "darling" in a patronising tone of voice. I do hereby undertake not to oppress men when I get the chance.

Now can we get on with trying not to be oppressed by them?

There's one on here at the moment who is really giving me the creeps. so many of you are doing sterling work arguing with him but I can't even - ugh.
I think MRA shit is speech crime and I don't think MN should accept it.
I don't think there is the faintest chance whatsoever of persuading MNHQ about this because they have a really naive liberal muddle headed notion of "balance" on this issue.
Good luck on that thread, btw, those of you who are on it, not because you will get anywhere with him but because others will see it.

Yes silly me pigeons. The poor MRA's would not be able to lecture as about feminism, yes of course tehy will be oppressed.

In all those example Sausage the average person on the street just ended up being oppressed by a different group. The odd few became oppressors but the majority remained oppressed.

But we are talking about a forum, not setting up a political structure to oppress MRA's.

Scallop a few cases, Russia 1917, China 1911 and 1949, Germany 1933. Cuba 1953, France 1789. If you want to go back in history there has been loads of times the oppressed became oppressors.

I am interested to know when the oppressed have ever become the oppressors.

Sounds a bit oppressive. but then again the previously oppressed so often become the oppressors as soon as they get a chance.

and round and round the cycle goes.

I think, like the BNP and the EDL, it's all too easy for groups and especially anonymous web sites to solicit supporting comments, from people who should know better, but can't see past their immediate situation.

Clever, political and religious extremists will always look for foot soldiers to do their dirty work.

I assumed they just had an automatic banning. tbh, I have got very confused nowadays as to what is a troll. The term gets bandied about so much on mumsnet. Some people call journalists that write in the dm trolls. I have just got so confused about the whole thing. And are "fun" made up threads started by "trolls". I just dont know my trolls from my goaders from goodness knows what else.

The one on chat announced it. S/he linked to an MRA blog that basically says horrible stuff about women being sluts, etc. That is goading. And they do not always get banned. If they do, it would be fine.

ooh. Perhaps the same MRA troll person posts on Feminism, and a different one posts elsewhere?

Perhaps they do on Feminism, but not on say chat?

Do they always? I dont take a huge anount of notice as soon as I see what they are doing. I never read all the op through to the end. Sorry troll!!

Trish, they do announce it.

I agree. Not even so much because of their views, but because they are here to goad. Goading is supposedly against the guidelines. Yet it keeps happening.

The thread in chat is the equivalent of someone posting that Muslims want to kill all Christians. They would rightly get banned as being here purely to goad and spread lies.