AIBU to think that if MN are willing to boycott certain groups on ethical grounds

Well I'm very relieved that you have taken the time to check out MRA sites very thoroughly Partridge. I would hate for you to come to any kneejerk opinions of MRAs based on very little knowledge at all, but that would never happen, I know. You seem far more considered than that.

The guy in chat (who never claimed to be an MRA, incidentally. Kind of tallies with 'not all trolls are male, not all people who disagree with feminism are MRAs), actually remained remarkably calm in the face of some of the most shamefully hideous sneering and hectoring I have possibly ever seen. Truly, it was quite shameful, and had I been a feminist, that would probably had been the point at which I decided to distance myself from the movement.

But anyway,

Paul Elam is possibly one of the most misrepresented people on the internet. Knowingly and unknowingly. So was Dworkin (apparently). Shit happens. That's pretty much all I have to say about that right now.

It doesn't surprise me that you find MRAs the lowest of the low. It takes understanding and rational thought to understand what the MRM are trying to say. It takes thinking outside of the box and open mindedness.

You got deleted for personally attacking me in a depressingly uninspired and cliched way (Twice. In my opinion it should have been three times. Well, actually, the whole time but, you know, I'm a reasonable woman).

Sorry you don't get your own way more often, but if I disagree I tend to feel I have the right to say it, despite your angry protestations that I shouldn't.

Partridge, is there a spectrum of MRAs, like feminists?

I think everyone agrees that if you say something that breaches the guidelines then you will be deleted.

Banning someone for belonging to a particular group is wrong. They have to break the rules

Great line. One of the all time greats

No, don't trouble yourself treen.

There was a great line in some dodgy sitcom I was watching recently:

Him: "But I'm not a racist!"

Her: "Well, if you don't want to be called a racist...then don't say racist things."

Sums it up really.

Which part. I can explain if you like?

We don't have any of this whining about how you can recognise racists. You'll never get them all, but first off 1. ban Nick Griffin 2. look out for people saying racist shit.

Nonsensical as always, treen.

It's hard to identify someone, unless they say they are a MRA.
Then you have to take in to account what the person identifying as an MRA perceives that to be.

Hi Sabrina ,

Religion is an example we are all familiar with. We can see variations in voices with in that group. We can also see opinions that are held by the members of a religious group, whilst also being held by non-members of that group.

It can be hard to identify one group as having one voice and one mind set.
Again, you often hear people within a group call a section of it 'nutters'. An example,we all know, is football fans or a religion.

Oh hi treenie.

Why do you keep talking about religion?

You could find a website backing up most opinions given on here if you wanted to. It doesn't mean they have ever looked at that website or are member of it.
It's dangerous to assume. I imagine some views on an MRA website could be found on the blog of a fundamentalist Muslim. I'm not sure if the Muslim would identify themselves as a MRA.
Plus that blog would not define all Muslims. It would not speak for a whole group.

You can identify an MRA quite easily- because they spout the same MRA crap that is all over those websites they link to.

"How do you identify a MRA member? Do they have to state that they are?"

I was described as an MRA once (and liar, provocative, goady) Want to ban me?

I think it is wrong to look to a label, instead of delaing with individual posts. I think it is theorising beyond the evidence to see a conspiracy to cause a particular effect in one bit of the Internet (though I have heard that even MNetters have used FB to rally people to post on a particular thread - though I hope that's wrong).

Individuals who gain warped satisfaction from provocation will return to the places where the reaction is most certain and predictable.

I think MNHQ might want to see if there is anything that can be done to improve speed of deletions (or try a 'lock thread' option as a holding response whilst they decide).

I've seen non MRAs link to their website.
Is there a spectrum of MRAs, like religious people. Or do they all have the same views.
I'm not a Conservative party member, but I liked some of their policies at the last election.
Can you attribute one view to all feminists? Does the extreme version speak for all? If someone supports one aspect of feminism, does that make them a feminist?

*Sorry, not banned, I meant deleted.

Most say they are MRAs or link to MRA sites.

'this poster is an MRA and the above content has been proven to be categorically untrue'

Mmmm, I'd take it easy with the categorically untrue spiel tbh, lest people take the time to pull apart your own 'truths'.

This all sounds very much like 'I hate these people, and other people who disagree with me and say things I don't like, therefore we should ban them'. As a large swathe of people disagree with your views, it's rather a good job such censorship doesn't exist, no?

Maybe MRA's (or at least self-identified MRA's) aren't banned as, just maybe, they have as much right to air space as you, and aren't as goading as you believe them to be. Unless, of course, 'I disagree, what about looking at things this way' is goading?

Btw, you were banned because you quite often PA posters. HTH.

How do you identify a MRA member? Do they have to state that they are?

I think they do ban the IP address - but there are some fairly simple ways around this. They find ways...