Opinions on my conversation with DP please, re job quotas

Sorry cross posted with KoPo

WTF are you talking about?

Loads of feminists are engaged in loads of different campaigns.

72% of government cuts fall on women - mostly working class women.

Assuming that because feminists here are articulate and well-informed, they can't possibly be working class or poor, must be one of the most snobby attitudes there is.

he doesnt think all black people are lazy, just the ones he works with (about eight)!

That speaks volumes about him in my opinion. But no I dont think bloody quotas are the way to go. I disagree with them intensely for a variety of reasons. I don't actually think there is such a true thing as positive discrimination. To me it is all just discrimination on one front or another.

I think a lot of people here should rein in their middle class privilege, the issue always is about a tiny amount of jobs at the top. WHy are not talking about the jobs lower down the career tree that seem to be filled by women? I have noticed particularly with politicians that they are so wrapped up in themselves that they do nothing for women. Look at the behaviour of Rachel Reeves who got parachuted into a safe Labour sit and just seems to go through the motions.

She has no grasp of the reality of her constituents and the difficulties families face. Rather than pulling other women up her attitude stinks of keeping the masses down. Notice that no one here is campaigning for the women working in cleaning or catering. After all they are just working class so feminism can ignore them? Rather than a top down approach I think it would have much more impact if it was driven from the grass roots up.

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It's about white privilege but you can equally apply it to male privilege.

You don't have to consciously tell yourself that to believe it Radagast.

That's the joy of privilege. You don't have to be aware that you've got it. And when someone from a non-privileged group points it out to you, you can tell them they have a chip on their shoulder.

Win win.

Equal Ops is all about making sure that the playing field is level for all and changing that is illegal unless certain prescribed conditions are satisfied.

Actually it isn't, and changing it is not illegal.

Nope, never men's fault

I've answered that question in an earlier post, Basil. I think I'll leave it there and go and spend the day telling myself I'm 'brilliant because I'm white and bepenised'.

And where did I say out it's "men's fault"?

This is why you're earning "disrespect". HTH.

Off to work now have a nice day y'all.

I guess I raised the point of anger as the vitriol (as I saw it) in the post appeared to be directed at men as a whole rather than the situation itself.

My DW is a Senior Executive in a firm where Women are seriously under represented at that level - we have spoken many times about how that can be redressed and our exasperation with the situation but it has never been 'men's fault'.

Why mention anger at all Radagast? I mean why on earth would a woman be angry about years of discrimination in the workplace?

Mind you I thought Basil sounded exasperated rather than angry. Having to make the same old arguments to the same old cries of misandry (a word made-up by over privileged people) for just wanting a level playing field, does that to you.

Basil, if you read my post I didn't ask for respect I simply asked not to be disrespected. At the risk of sound patronising, there is a difference.

And for the avoidance of doubt, the tone of your posts indicated (to me) that you were angry. However, l merely asked why and did not pass judgement on your anger.

It comes from such a position of privilege doesn't it Doctrine?

Policing women's 'tone'. Now there's a turn-up for the books.

It's like my ex-boss saying of a female CEO we knew "she gives working women a bad name"

The phrase "if they're any good they'll get the job on merit" is telling in itself.

"You may well disagree with my point of view and you can disrespect my opinion but why disrespect me?"

Really?

You patronisingly ask why I'm angry (ooh, angry women, Bad) although I'd given no indicator of being angry and then ask me to respect you?

Really?

Gotcha Mumbling. I must admit that I would defend my beloved Chelsea above pretty much everything but there are certain things that are (in my opinion) indefensible.

That includes making sweeping statements that are misogynist, racist or pretty much any 'istic' category.

I see that your DP's comments went deeper than than I originally thought and whilst I couldn't ascribe his words to any particular agenda, I can see that his apparent viewpoint would certainly be cause for concern.

Again, soz for being naive but Mumbling, I take it you've never raised your voice and refused to discuss anything with DP? Sorry to be controversial but not everything can be linked back to Man's perceived desire to put Women down.

Big shock, both Men and Women can act like idiots with no hidden agenda!

he doesnt think all black people are lazy, just the ones he works with (about eight)!

I'd be having serious words about that too.