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Oh FFS. I am so sick of the gender invisibilisation that is going on around Jeremy Hunt's call for families to look after elders

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BasilBabyEater · 18/10/2013 13:16

I'm listening to Jeremy Vine on R2 atm and there's this whole thing about how we as a society should look after elders, can we learn from Asian families etc. and the massive elephant in the room is not being mentioned - that when men talk about how "families" look after elders, what they mean is, the women in the families look after elders. Men have no intention of doing the actual work - they blithely know they won't have to do it, because the automatic assumption is that women will do it.

And yet these 2 men on the radio are talking about this with narry a mention of this fact.

And before the weakheads come on and say "oh but I know a man who does it" - yes dear, that's nice, but he's in a minority. It's generally women who do this labour and that's why cabinet ministers like Jeremy Hunt can have the bloody cheek to stand there and lecture "families" that they should be doing it while meaning women.

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Yama · 18/10/2013 16:03

Yes, I think you are right Basil.

However, YABU (I know this isn't AIBU) for listening to Jeremy Vine. What on earth possessed you?

I don't know what will happen in my family because the likeliest out of the four of us children to care for our parents was my younger brother. Sadly he died though. I generally resist gendered expectations.

fridayfreedom · 18/10/2013 16:01

Nobody mentioned carer stress which is a huge issue, or a capping of the help you can receive from adult services or the fact that having small children and elderly relatives to care for is hugely difficult.
And what if you actually don't get on with the elderly relative. They/ we are not all destined to be sweet little old men or women.
How about if the elderly person abused you as a child??
The circumstances are endless but the programme just focused on people being selfish if they didnt take an elderly parent it, far too simpistic and such views are likely to cause great guilt to many who for whatever reason have given up or not gone down this route.

tumbletumble · 18/10/2013 15:57

I think you have a point, OP.

I have no doubt that I'll be doing more than my brother to help our parents as they get older (both in good health at the moment).

However, part (although not all) of the reason for this is that they have been incredibly helpful and supportive to me in recent years when I have been looking after small children. So, when the time comes, I will be glad to return the favour. They've never helped my brother as much (because his PILs are very involved - also for geographical reasons).

That's not exactly a sexist thing is it?

msrisotto · 18/10/2013 15:52

Often older people fiercely resist living with their children however they still clearly need help and it can result in their children spending half their lives travelling to take care of them, neglecting themselves and their own families.

msrisotto · 18/10/2013 15:51

I used to work with carers and can say that men made up, roughly 25-30% of carers so I would agree that this is a gendered issue.

EachDay · 18/10/2013 15:48

I think that's a bit unfair, I have a male friend who is very involved in the care of his mother and my Dad did loads to make sure his MIL could stay in her own home.

I think the bigger issue is that "elders" don't necessarily want looking after by their families. It was mentioned this morning, that elderly people living with their families are among the loneliest in our society.

My Grandmother absolutely resisted living with one of her 3 children on the basis that she would be stuck in the house all day, away from her friends and would see no-one outside the familiy. She preferred to go into a home near where she had raised her children and still had many friends. They (and their children where they had stayed local) visited often and she was able to continue a lot of her social life, including charity work, even after she could no longer live independently.

louloutheshamed · 18/10/2013 15:24

I agree. I wonder if Jeremy hunt would be prepared to give up his job to care for an elderly parent.

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