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Warwick University rowing club women's team calendar

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duchesse · 14/10/2013 15:20

Are they being ironic?

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emcwill74 · 18/10/2013 12:28

Bale - no nakedness does not equal sexy, I agree. A woman sat topless to breastfeed her baby is not being 'sexy'. A woman lolling about on the beach to get an all over tan is not being 'sexy'. But most images of women in the media that contain nudity or partial nudity are posed to be 'sexy' - bum out, boobs thrust forward, mouth open, hands in knickers etc etc. This is the standard look in lads mags etc and female nudity is normally used to titillate male viewers, and this is why female nudity such as that in the calendar is troubling: because there is already a very sexist framework in place that these images get sucked into, even though the women involved are not posing in that way.

Phaserstostun · 18/10/2013 12:27

I have noted that Buffy is fending a lot of these questions - I am not trying to gang up on you Grin, just wondering what you think.

BuffytheAppleBobber · 18/10/2013 12:26

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Phaserstostun · 18/10/2013 12:25

I don't know if this question is a stupid one and therefore being ignored, or it just got lost amid other conversations. So, I'll ask once more and then I will drop it if no-one answers.

Where do you draw the line between allowing women to act as they please, and curtailing their actions for fear of the adverse affect that it has on other women in society? This is with reference to getting glammed up for a night out, and getting nekkid for a photo shoot as in the calendar.

Yougotbale · 18/10/2013 12:22

Buffy - these are governed by law?? If you want to pass laws that restrict women then that's up to you

BuffytheAppleBobber · 18/10/2013 12:19

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Yougotbale · 18/10/2013 12:18

Buffy - I get your opinion and where it comes from. The sexy box comes from your perception and four others.

I think that perception comes from a religious culture. I personally don't think nakedness equals sexy.

When you see a photo of a man what is your thought process/judgements? And do you think these judgements affect your behaviour?

BuffytheAppleBobber · 18/10/2013 12:16

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Yougotbale · 18/10/2013 12:14

Phaser - that question sounds like a question religion might ask. If you want to tell people how to behave and make them dance to your drum beat then that's up to you. I wouldn't be comfortable with that.

BuffytheAppleBobber · 18/10/2013 12:11

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Phaserstostun · 18/10/2013 12:09

So, how do we decide which situations require women to modify their behaviour, and which do not?

Yougotbale · 18/10/2013 12:06

Buffy - how do you stop a photo being judged? How do you hear a photo?

DuckToWater · 18/10/2013 12:06

It is nice to see healthy looking young women photographed.

I don't know if I can properly comment as I don't mind looking at naked male rugby players.

Yougotbale · 18/10/2013 12:04

Buffy - no one knows your reality. But you assume you know the reality of the men's response. Your theory relies on you knowing the reality of both men and women

BuffytheAppleBobber · 18/10/2013 12:04

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Yougotbale · 18/10/2013 12:01

That is your male stereotype. This is used to back up the theory.

This sounds familiar...

Phaserstostun · 18/10/2013 11:58

I am referring to the feminist perception of male reaction - lust, objectification, dehumanising etc etc. If that is the problem, then that is what needs fixing. That was my point.

BuffytheAppleBobber · 18/10/2013 11:57

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Yougotbale · 18/10/2013 11:55

Phaser - what is the men's reaction?

Phaserstostun · 18/10/2013 11:47

Agreed, Buffy. Which is where I get a bit confused. Surely it is the right of the female rowers to release the calendar, just as it is for the male rowers. That is not the problem. The problem - at least for feminists - is men's reaction. So, wouldn't you advocate changing society's attitude, rather than having the rowers curtail their actions? Otherwise, why not tell women not to glam up to much on a Saturday night? That is a conflict for me.

emcwill74 · 18/10/2013 11:45

Whilst other posters like Buffy and Sabrina make excellent points on this thread, I can't stop thinking about lib asking if I realise how I am marginalised by my petiteness! I can't help it if my body got to 5' 3 3/4" and stopped!

BuffytheAppleBobber · 18/10/2013 11:22

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SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 18/10/2013 11:00

It would perhaps be interesting to ask whether the Warwick rowers had considered that particular factor in making their choice. If they could manage not to be defensive and feel they were being attacked by prudish, bra burning feminists, of course. Which they aren't. Not here, anyway.

Yes I agree.

It also hasn't escaped my notice that the DM has, yet again evoked the straw-feminist in their article - once again trying to pitch women against women -it's their second favourite past-time (the first being vilifying the poor).

DadWasHere · 18/10/2013 10:24

Try again.

Pointless. I bought my wife a firemen calender one year because she saw me notice her looking at the bums of three firemen when we were having lunch one day. I think anyone who considers there is a particular difference in the calender I bought Vs the one this thread talks about would like to avoid reality.