Warwick University rowing club women's team calendar

So your own perception is that overly sexualised images are consumed by men. You think this is society's main position? You say you form this opinion through people around you? Does your husband consume images?
You believe it to be true but can not prove whether it is true or whether the effects of these images is true.
I have not any preconceptions of what you think, I can look at the theory and judge what that is saying.

You say images of attractive women are a problem. How did you decide the rowers were attractive? Which rower is the most attractive in you opinion? Did you naturally objectify them to make that decision or purposefully objectify them? Or is possible to view someone's attractiveness with out consuming the woman in the image?

I think it is more complex than being summed up in a sentence. The more worrying thing is the perception of the image itself. It's a naked body, similar to a body on an autopsy table.

images of attractive naked women do contribute to the way society views women as decorative. And I think that the problem is that society doesn't see this as a problem, on the whole. Society thinks "aww, they're lovely! They made the choice to do it, it's natural, init"

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Buffy - you can't say it is true or not.
I'm unsure of where you get your stereotypes for a society. How a society thinks, reacts, behaves. Whether that can be done to any meritible standard.
You say 'such images', how do you personally decide what makes an image a problem. And what society views as a problem image.
I think there may be a part of women's pictures being sold to men. I think having that as a main reason is reductive. I think it is a lot more complex than that. I don't think these pictures of rowers are part of the problem. I'd be more worried about a viewer that thought they were. So you think all the women in this calendar are overly attractive. I presume the word 'consume' is used to back up the theory. Does it mean look at?

You are so bound to your theory, you even have to try and act it out:

It's like I'm a silly little lady you're indulging for a moment, so as to set me straight.

Is that your initial thought of how women are perceived. Your view is worrying. It's messed up. It's like you revel in it this theory. I don't get it.

You discribed me as less able than your little kid. It may be offensive but not any wider spread meaning. Maybe I was more less courteous to you, so I'm sorry.

I'm more than willing to be educated as to why one is acceptable & one is not...

So you'll protest about a group of women doing a tasteful nude photoshoot, that doesn't show anything, but will defend to the death their right to go down town on a Friday night with a lot more hanging out?

This is where I have the problem understanding, there's no consistent message here.

*presumes

I was saying my views. I said I understand where your analysis comes from. You analysis is no more or less valid than mine. I was telling you what I thought. I don't think I can step out of myself. Not everyone will agree with you, discussion and questioning makes a theory stronger.

It is less likely that with such strict stereotypes and values, for men and woman, to be the case.

On the men being objectified, I got you confused with another poster. Sorry. I would have thought that the objectification of men, backing up your stereotypes of them would also be detrimental to women.

I thought you did because you were avoiding that question a few times. I assumed otherwise there wouldn't be any point of discussion. I thought you were saying that because your theory pressures that the images affect society and therefore people's behaviour. If society did not affect the people within it then why is your theory so concerned about any impacts made on society

My analysis is that the pigeon holing you use to back up your theory aren't the case. Your analysis of the view points of men and women, to back up your theory, aren't true (but you have admitted this, to your credit).
Your analysis of how men and women perceive images, to back up your theory, aren't true.
I don't think your analysis of society, when it comes to objectification, is true. But if you can prove it, I'll change my mind.
I understand why you have these views but they are very narrow because you are bound to the theory.

I think the analysis of what does and doesn't make an image objectifying is flakey. I don't think women are the only ones that can be objectified.

I don't think images of these rowers change people's morals, behaviours or attitudes.

So what are the perceptions of the society? Who decides what these are, feminists? If you can not identify individuals reactions it's impossible.

I understand you believe in your theory? And believe in its reductive stereotyping and reductive view points.

Passing that on to the women in the calendar on the bases of your analysis and the view point 4 blokes, isn't fair.

I worry about how you feel these images affect the behaviour and thoughts of the viewer.

Sorry my dyslexia

Buffy - I respect your views. I can question them and have my own opinion.

I think your views are reductive to back up your point of view. I worry about your perception of men, women and sexiness of the photos. I worry about how you feel people about how these images affect the behaviour and thoughts of the viewer.

I was highlight how ridiculous your point was. I was just turning your point round on you. You seemed to laugh at it so I thought I'd give you another laugh.

No need to get offensive because of a point you made early

Buffy
Sorry phaser I thought I'd answered your question. I don't think that we should tell women how they can behave at all, I think that's just as oppressive as any other limit on women's freedom. And it's one of the ways that anti-feminists try and discredit feminism's ideas.

Even if that woman was stealing your car or being naked or violent on cbeebies??

Even if you have eaten tea?? Lol. No, but you have process. You may see that you don't recognise the face, you may see if you find them attractive, you may see the composition/colouring, etc