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Unhappy with school reading book

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Kinect · 08/10/2013 08:01

DD is in reception & has three reading books a week. We have a little book to fill in with a note of how DD reacted. Yesterday's book was, "a princess & a dragon'. Story went like this princess, dragon, roar, help, prince, prince saves princess, they are happy.

I have written in the notebook that it is against my feminist principles to read the story with DD.

I am very unhappy about material like this being in school.

Should I take this further with the school?
Or is my comment in the notebook sufficient.

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Flicktheswitch · 09/10/2013 12:26

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scallopsrgreat · 09/10/2013 12:25

That was to Flicktheswitch btw

scallopsrgreat · 09/10/2013 12:24

Well if you don't think they would be deprived why are you bothered about whether they are 'censored' or not?

*Disclaimer: I don't think showing children a wider variety of books and reducing the exposure to harmful gender stereotypes is actually censorship.

VillaVillekulla · 09/10/2013 12:23

I sympathise OP.

I recently complained about a book which I thought was a) reinforcing really negative gender stereotypes and b) not age appropriate (all about rivalry and nasty snide behaviour amongst a group of girls who all fancy their male teacher - all well over the head of 5yo DD).

I really like some of the materials for teachers in this resource called Stereotypes stop you doing stuff. Maybe you could helpfully send a copy to the Head and your DD's teacher Wink

ClayDavis · 09/10/2013 12:18

I'm not sure the teacher would laugh at you. I'm normally a bit meh about these things but I think I know the book you mean and it is bad. For some reason the single short3-4 word sentence on each page seems to hammer in the message in a more explicit way than if it were a longer book that you might read to children.

Flicktheswitch · 09/10/2013 12:14

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curlew · 09/10/2013 12:04

"So why can't other people apply other criteria to the books they give to children "

Some can. Some can't. Judging by this thread, some choose not to.

The question is, why give children crap books in the first place? We are careful about the food we put in their bodies- why feed their minds rubbish?

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scallopsrgreat · 09/10/2013 11:57

So why can't other people apply other criteria to the books they give to children Flicktheswitch? Why are you allowed to critically think about what you show your children and we aren't?

Also why do you think children would be deprived if they never saw another prince rescues princess story ever again?

Society is telling girls all the time that men are the protectors, the doers, the rescuers, marriage is the answer, knight in shining armour bullshit etc etc. Why should we accept what society tells us what we read and watch any more than you do?

BuffytheAppleBobber · 09/10/2013 11:56

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Flicktheswitch · 09/10/2013 11:49

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curlew · 09/10/2013 11:46

It's not censorship to say that kids deserve better than crap books.....

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SinisterSal · 09/10/2013 10:55

Flick do you think the messages children pick up along the way have no influence?
Parents can't challenge every little thing kids may see in a day. It's impossible - there are simply too many images to be able to have a conversation about each one. But all those images sink and bleed in and create a kind of cognitive template that we are not even aware of building.

In that context it's not too much to expect the school to help out and counterbalance those damaging messages. They could if they wanted, so why not?

What I tend to do is switch genders in any old story. (Mine are preschoolers so can't read yet so it's easy for me) So if you have a boy / girl team and a dragon say, you'd be surprised how often the Prince 'said kindly/shrieked in fright' and the Princess 'stomped off angrily/said No!' It's an interesting experiment Grin And it's so subtle you can't expect children to critique it in all it's nuance and context.

Kinect · 09/10/2013 10:52

What a lot of responses!

To answer some questions.

No I don't read Sleeping Beauty, Snow White or Cinderella at home. DD has had the opportunity to watch Cinderella a few times, but won't stay in the room because of the music. Sofia the First was on TV this weekend and DD asked to watch something else.

DD does have a Rapunzel dressing up dress and regularly watches Tangled & we have the interactive book on the iPad. She is getting a Merida costume for Xmas, she also has the book, but isn't very interested in it. Her life isn't completely devoid of any Princess material.

I am a feminist that believes in equality. Not sure where in my opening post conveys that I don't believe in equality. If there are other books that are brought home that I have an issue with, I will respond in same way. My question was over this book in particular, as it is the first, hopefully only, book I have a problem with.

The book is terribly simplistic, pretty blonde princess in a pink dress etc.

I am certain the books are chosen by the teacher / TA. Tuesday's is library day, when they get to choose two books to bring home for the week. Last week DD chose two reference books about birds, this week the Wishing Wand and Four Franks.

Thanks a lot for all the suggestions of great books. We do already have Zog. I think DD will love the one with the pirates.

We do try and analyse and talk about the books, but DD just isn't there yet. I try and talk to her about the best / favourite / most fun thing in a playground and she won't engage. She is four and a quarter and sees things in a very simplistic way and is usually focussed on one thing at a time. So whilst I appreciate peoples comments to use this as a learning opportunity, there isn't one there at the moment.

That aside, it doesn't stop me being unhappy about the book being standard reading material.

The book is changed over today, so I'll see if there is any reaction from the school.

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fossil971 · 09/10/2013 09:05

Go for it. It's probably worth a lighthearted comment.

I complained once about one with a health and safety issue - Biff and Chip digging an enormous hole on the beach and burying someone in it I think Grin.

2tiredtocare · 09/10/2013 09:01

We had a book removed from the school reading book rotation, it was called 'mum's diet' and it was about a family who were 'forced' to eat salad as their mum was on a diet.