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Why is slut dressing cool?

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Hullygully · 03/10/2013 15:44

I don't get this.

I get that everyone should dress as they like/not be judged on appearance/not be victim blamed etc

I get all that

What I don't get is why women dressing in a way MEN deem sexually attractive: short skirt, tits hanging out, monster unwalkable in heels = empowering.

It's nonsense.

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BOF · 03/10/2013 22:37

Religion is just one tactic adopted by patriarchal societies. There are plenty of others.

Yougotbale · 03/10/2013 22:36

Fabulous - what makes it ugly?

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Hullygully · 03/10/2013 22:35

I agree yougotbale, except that an awful lot of those pushing the religion didn't actually believe, but found it a useful tool of control, even from the earliest times.

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Yougotbale · 03/10/2013 22:33

BOF - religious scarring is deep. People lived in fear. These values were pushed on people like a dictator in the sky. This is deep routed. It has skewed our views of sex, flesh, relationships more than anything in recent history.
I believe it will take years of non religious society to make nudity normal

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Hullygully · 03/10/2013 22:33

Well I think Fabulous, that the obvious answer is they don't think that they do look ugly...

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TheFabulousIdiot · 03/10/2013 22:31

I don't understand why people would deliberately make themselves look so ugly. Do they all suffer from some kind of dysmorphia? (sp)

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Hullygully · 03/10/2013 22:31

I think so Murder. At least that's where I'm at at the mo.

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Hullygully · 03/10/2013 22:30

I have to go, but I will just say I think this is all a bit of a red herring

You can't separate out religion/culture/climate etc they are all deeply interwoven and interdependent.

Pjs are the answer.

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MurderOfBanshees · 03/10/2013 22:29

That's it isn't it Hully? Signal yes, shout no. Because god forbid they might actually be free to decide.

Yougotbale · 03/10/2013 22:28

Nice - all early civilisations were religious or at least spiritual. I think climate plays a part in it. Greeks and Romans were not so god fearing.
Consider the mainstream religions. Uk for example. It is forbidden. More akin to the Amish way of dress. Look at no sex before marriage, no wonder this has become an issue. Fashion has developed quicker than we can wash off religion and it's influences.

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Hullygully · 03/10/2013 22:27

Which is fine, do have some pjs tho.

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Hullygully · 03/10/2013 22:27
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BOF · 03/10/2013 22:26

Nobody is saying that religions aren't patriarchal. But religion reflects the agenda of the patriarchy rather than the other way round. This country is more secular than ever, but women's oppression isn't going anywhere fast.

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Hullygully · 03/10/2013 22:24

They wouldn't need to dress in a way that signalled yes, shout no, and be called allsorts.

I'm going back to my Mao pjs for all stance

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Hullygully · 03/10/2013 22:22

My latest idea makes the most sense to me.

If women weren't shoehorned into a pretended virginal, ethereal, only within a committed meaningful relationship bollocks, but could do it with whom when and where they pleased, they wouldn't be subjected to the weird doublethink that currently clothes their clothes.

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Yougotbale · 03/10/2013 22:21

Bof - it's well on topic. Religion is man made and misogynistic. It is given too much Credence. It is the main route behind how flesh is perceived today or do you let religion off the hook?

NiceTabard · 03/10/2013 22:21

Yougotbale

The ancient greeks were religious. Also the romans.

I am given to understand that they had a different take on modes of dress and sexual behaviour to what we are used to.

It's not religion, it's men/women. Babies, who's is it. All mainstream religions I can think of adopted rules around what was the cultural norm at the time where they started. Hence many of them having bizarre rules which have been overturned or ignored or dropped as time goes on. the ones about food and women seem to stick, for some reason!

For why the UK has the current social mores it does, some reading on the Victorians might prove interesting.

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Hullygully · 03/10/2013 22:19

Maybe it's because society still won't let females especially young ones, be honest about their sexuality. So they dress in a "peacock" way, but have to pretend that it isn't because they aren't supposed to want sex?

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BOF · 03/10/2013 22:19

Boys aren't sex objects in our society, and women aren't prone to rape them, so I suppose there doesn't have to be any victim-blaming, because they aren't likely to be victimised in the first place.

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Hullygully · 03/10/2013 22:17

yy Nice

But there is no real male equivalent as we know

Oh yeah, the Chippendales...

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BOF · 03/10/2013 22:15

That was to youvegotebale.

NiceTabard · 03/10/2013 22:15

temptress
lolita
promiscuous (sometimes applied to men but not often)
tart
slut
and so on

Just the idea of thinking of a 14 yo boy as sexually "knowing" because he is wearing lynx and has 2 inches of pant showing is preposterous, and most people in the UK would be shocked I think at the idea of these things being seen as a "come and get it" by older women and older gay men.

When it's 14yo girls and older men though, all bets are off.

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Hullygully · 03/10/2013 22:14

Oh sorry, you mean for the boys themselves.

No, because men of all ages want the young flesh

Women may do, but society pretends they dont

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BOF · 03/10/2013 22:14

Erm, because we use our bodies to have sex, so seeing more of them is sexy? Re promiscuity etc, it has traditionally been tightly controlled so that the men are sure that they are passing on their property to their own biological children. I don't think it's too difficult to get your head round, is it?

I hope this thread stays vaguely on topic. Anything in FWR has a tendency to go off on tangents, and I think the OP has raised an interesting topic.

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Hullygully · 03/10/2013 22:14

Nice, I think we have Cougar and MILF

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