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Lapdancing and telling off dh's mate.

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Manchesterhistorygirl · 02/10/2013 17:41

I blame you lot. Thanks.

Last night dh's friend was telling him all about his recent visit to a lap dancing bar. I told him he and his mates were a bunch of twats and I was disgusted at them all, especially since they all have partners.

I also told dh if I ever found out he'd done the same it'd be the absolute last thing he ever did.

So my nest of vipers, thank you for giving me the confidence to handle a situation I've always found disgusting, but wouldn't have ever spoken out about until I joined here.

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ReviewsOffers · 03/10/2013 13:56

Do explain, yougotbale

Yougotbale · 03/10/2013 13:55

Buffy - that's not true

BuffytheFeministFeminist · 03/10/2013 13:49

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ReviewsOffers · 03/10/2013 13:46

that's the ticket my girl. Know your place

Manchesterhistorygirl · 03/10/2013 13:45

Like I said he was sat on the sofa in my house, bragging about his exploits at a lap dancing club. Quite frankly I couldn't give a monkeys if he felt embarrassed, so he should, but obviously I shall keep my opinions to myself in future and just smile and nod at the men folk and their funny ways.

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ReviewsOffers · 03/10/2013 13:42

Oh.

you again.

libertarianj · 03/10/2013 13:42

Zippy Buffy likes to makes assumptions about how everybody thinks, to fit her agenda. she also ignores the numerous dancers who have spoke out in support of their jobs too.

And yes, before you say it, I know that there are male strippers. There are significantly fewer and the circumstances under which they perform are very different.

how exactly exactly are their circumstances different? Most male strippers go mobile and there certainly aren't any things like no touching rules or cctv.

and OP I think you are out of order for challenging your husbands friends like that, regardless of what the issue was. You should have spoke to your husband about it later, and told him you didn't approve of his friends comments/ views, rather than embarrass him like that. How would you feel if your husband spoke to your friends like that? Ever heard of being tactful?

BuffytheFeministFeminist · 03/10/2013 13:36

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Manchesterhistorygirl · 03/10/2013 13:30

Good god, I am controlling and abusive for making it 100% clear that I do not approve, condone! tolerate or expect this type of behaviour, especially not when the discussion is taking place in my house. Your damn right I'd be furious with dh if he ever went to one of these places. I'm furious with dh's mate because he is my children's godfather and I am disgusted with this behaviour, even more so when he was bragging about it. He's in his 40's so in no way can he blame peer pressure.

If your partners (you apologist women) went out and a random woman was pushing her boobs and bum in their face and they went along with it, would you be happy with it or would you be posting on relationships?

I do not agree with exploitation in any guise and I am frankly astonished that so many on this thread think I am controlling and abusive because of that. As the mother of boys it is important that they see women as their equals, not as some form of paid for titillation.

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YoniTime · 03/10/2013 12:49

Isn't this amazing, btw? It should be the standard of every country.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strip_club_ban_in_Iceland

MomentForLife · 03/10/2013 12:42

I don't think lapdancing clubs are going anywhere, and a lot of women say they like doing it, they're using men for money etc. My personal feeling is it's degrading but that's me.

My issue is that if you have a partner, you're degrading them aswel. As if they're not enough. It's all just a bit of fun and their feelings aren't important because you want to see some boobs

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Yougotbale · 03/10/2013 12:22

Women do get lapdances too, but not too many

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 03/10/2013 12:15

It's sexist because the 'business' is based on half-dressed women gyrating for men's titillation.

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zippey · 03/10/2013 12:11

I hope that made sense. I think one is sexist, the other isn't. My opinion only of course. Anyway the debate has moved on and I'm out for just now.

zippey · 03/10/2013 12:04

@fleacircus
I don't see how a person going to a lap dancing club is sexist. The recent debate on here about women sitting at the back of classrooms in an Islamic school is sexist because they are treating women differently to men. I don't see how women are being discriminated against. Maybe you can enlighten me.

To me its just business, albeit a less than savory one. If a woman chooses to do it and a man chooses to pay, or vice versa, who am I to decide who is right or wrong.

Faux · 03/10/2013 11:58

I would have told them I considered them vile and disgusting too. Good on you OP.

MomentForLife · 03/10/2013 11:54

Good for you OP. I would be pissed off if my DP was visiting these places and I'd tell his mates they were twats too. Don't care if that's controlling.

Private dances don't cost that much, and who'd be happy with their partner having a fully naked girl gyrating around them?

Yougotbale · 03/10/2013 11:48

Review - lol. It was a joke. I think it's right for the OP to speak up and give an opinion. As it is for the husbands mate.

The OP sounds threatening and controlling. I would do a runner

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 03/10/2013 11:45

I would say that discussing lapdancing clubs is absolutely a female/male thing.

Your post basically said 'you just have to put up with it, as your opinion wasn't asked.' Why should she have to be quiet until her opinion is asked?? Do the men wait to be asked for their opinion?

LaurieFairyCake · 03/10/2013 11:44

No one tells me what to say - in my house I'd have done the same

If out and couldn't be arsed I'd have left

ReviewsOffers · 03/10/2013 11:42

well zippey
AHEM I'll tell you who is right! Wink

You make a good point too about the way the views are expressed - yet when you are passionate it's easy to go on a bit. Still, OP could argue that their actions are causing harm at a level greater than being strongly disagreed with by a friends' wife, so they should be able to take it.

I still maintain she was right to say what she thinks without sugarcoating it - the conversation was going on there around her, it's a bit 'be a good little lady' to expect her to just sit in silence.
You wouldn't expect a black person to sit all decorous and mannerly if they were joking about perpetuating racism.

Yougotbale wow what an insight. of course you are right that's it exactly.