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Sex: My British Job. Channel 4

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YouMakeMeWannaLaLa · 23/09/2013 23:23

Anybody see this? It was just horrific. I really, really hope it reached the right audience: punters and their defenders. I doubt it, but I hope so Sad

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Frodosmum · 28/09/2013 08:54

I think a few were shown on previous documentaries on brothels in Australia and America. It was a few years ago. I recall the prostitutes saying that they get women clients.

ReviewsOffers · 28/09/2013 07:20

It's mostly men paying women though - of course all kinds of people do it, what figures there are and what anecdotes we have show it's overwhelmingly men doing the paying, to women and to a lesser extent young men.

I find it hard to believe that any documentary maker or anyone of that ilk with disregard the sensationalist titillation of showing gay women looking for paid sex.

I have never heard of a gay woman visiting a brothel.
I am happy to admit I don't know every gay woman in the world, though.

Frodosmum · 28/09/2013 03:30

Most documentaries on prostitution show only heterosexual male clients, but gay women also pay women for sex, and gay men pay male prostitutes for sex, without any women being involved in any way. Even some heterosexual women pay male escorts for sex, despite the fact that women can easily get sex without being attractive or having to exert any serious effort. It’s a much more varied phenomenon than we are led to believe.

GoshAnneGorilla · 27/09/2013 23:04

Ah realism, aka defending the status quo.

Once upon a time domestic violence, no financial power, widespread sexual harassment and worse - all of these were an accepted part of the status quo for women.

Thankfully for all of us, feminists, didn't consider it "realism" to not try and eliminate any of those things and while we still face problems, huge strides forward have been made.

So why should prostitution be any different?

ReviewsOffers · 27/09/2013 23:03

FGS say something that makes sense....meaningless self serving drivel

minnehaha · 27/09/2013 22:49

As I've recently retired from the business, I have no income to protect; I'm just being a realist whist you lot are stuffing your own heads up the arse of feminist propaganda

ReviewsOffers · 27/09/2013 22:45

No it fucking isn't Minnehaha that's really annoying that you say that.

MY attitudes harm no one, ffs. Me, sitting at home with the remote and a cuppa is putting people at risk? And not the creepy fuckers out and about, physically in the brothels?

Have a think yourself, lady. Nonsense.

GoshAnneGorilla · 27/09/2013 22:42

How exactly does patting men on the head for paying for sex make them less likely to abuse women?

In the decrim paradise of NZ, 50% of street prostitutes have been raped at work, as have at least 10% of indoor workers. Does that sounds good to you.

Finally as someone who defend s P net because it's apparently so good for your business, I don't think you can play the dripping with concern card either.

I'm sure you'll be running back to your blog soon to call us all ugly and jealous and other such superb enlightened and feminist terms.

minnehaha · 27/09/2013 22:33

To put it more succinctly - it's YOUR attitudes that enable such exploitation. Have a think ladies............

minnehaha · 27/09/2013 22:26

As a 'defender' - not watched the programme yet but it was easy to get it's drift from the trailers.
If any of you cared to seriously read P.Net etc, you'd see there is condemnation of exploitative practices.
Just because you lot with your superior moral standards condemn prostitution - it ain't going to disappear anytime soon. So hows about making sure the women involved are SAFE?.....making it illegal or stigmatising the men is NOT going to achieve that.

grimbletart · 27/09/2013 10:57

Prostitution exists in every single country in the world. So presumably Philosophical is saying that prostitution in every single country in the world is the fault of women. I think Philosophical needs to get out more.

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 27/09/2013 07:38

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FloraFox · 27/09/2013 05:24

You could sense the financial desperation of the women. It's such a shame for British men that British women are not so financially destitute that they will shag a bunch of desperate losers for a tenner.

DropYourSword · 27/09/2013 02:54

FFS PI I really really hope you're not being serious because your comments have made my fucking blood boil.

PhilosophicalInvestigations · 27/09/2013 02:46

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SinisterSal · 25/09/2013 10:06

what sort of stupid statement is that.

long words don't make what you say clever

FloraFox · 25/09/2013 06:59

PI - a striking example (as was this whole programme) of the role of racism in prostitution. Women as racialised sexual commodities.

AnyFucker · 24/09/2013 23:32

Ignore and report the derailer.

GoshAnneGorilla · 24/09/2013 23:31

What?

Are you seriously saying that men visiting prostitutes is "the fault" of British women?

Hmm
PhilosophicalInvestigations · 24/09/2013 23:14

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FloraFox · 24/09/2013 18:44

The programme was awful. If the undercover reporter had £20,000 of debts to pay to a money lender, how much more quickly would she have succumbed to the pressure? The idea that these women are exercising any sort of agency or choice is repellent.

They should have confronted some of the punters outside the house, especially the one who peed everywhere then asked for a discount. As usual, the men were pixelated out.

SinisterSal · 24/09/2013 18:43

Still, it's refreshing to see the anti Belle du Jour

If it gets people thinking that prostitution isn't all empowering glamour with a selection of kind sexy gentlemen it will have done good in the world

GoshAnneGorilla · 24/09/2013 18:11

There are actually some decent comments BTL on that Guardian article .