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Sex: My British Job. Channel 4

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YouMakeMeWannaLaLa · 23/09/2013 23:23

Anybody see this? It was just horrific. I really, really hope it reached the right audience: punters and their defenders. I doubt it, but I hope so Sad

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Yougotbale · 25/10/2013 23:43

Sab - because what we are doing now isn't working. You could have a register of punters. Employment law would affect employers.
The big thing is that there are people that don't see anything wrong with paying for sex. I believe they will do it regardless of the law. Regulating that may work.
This regulation would also cover trams and male prostitutes

FloraFoxForAnyFucker · 25/10/2013 23:41

The number of abusive pimps would increase. As demand increases, supply must also increase.

www.spiegel.de/international/germany/human-trafficking-persists-despite-legality-of-prostitution-in-germany-a-902533.html

SabrinaMulFUCKERJjones · 25/10/2013 23:36

Why would you want to bring something so inherently misogynistic above board, I wonder?

Yougotbale · 25/10/2013 23:33

When - the social goal would be to try and firstly reduce the number of abusive pimps (coldly, try and attack their market). Compile lists of brothel owners and their work forces. Try and bring as much of it above board.

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YouMakeMeWannaLaLa · 25/10/2013 23:24

wino said:

Because your objection is political-you believe that there can be no true equality while prostitution exists, that it is an example of male entitlement. Some of you think prostitution is" violence against women" and that the prostitution of one woman magically affects all, that all men are violent misogynists that all men are rapists.....mix and match which apply

Yeah, actually! Apart from thinking all men are violent rapist/misogynists. You are being histrionic to make me look unreasonable and it's timewasting bullshit...please don't do it.

But, otherwise, yes (apart from the word 'magically'; it's not magic, it's culture/socialisation). That's not an exhaustive list of my objections; there are plenty more, but that's a cracking start.

So you don't agree with any of that...or just don't care about it?

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WhentheRed · 25/10/2013 23:24

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FloraFoxForAnyFucker · 25/10/2013 23:22

Wow, that's a considered opinion.

Yougotbale · 25/10/2013 23:19

I read an overview. I think it is a better model than we currently have. It goes in the direction of decriminalisation but without the regulation. I think the decriminalisation of the seller is a good move. The heavier sentencing and social embarrassment is a good idea.

I still feel legalisation is the way forward. Trying to bring a large part of the industry above ground and regulated is what I'd try

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SabrinaMulFUCKERJjones · 25/10/2013 23:12

google it bale - rather than making this thread all about your lack of knowledge.

Yougotbale · 25/10/2013 23:10

Sal - alternative approaches are forms of regulation. Do you have a link?

Yougotbale · 25/10/2013 23:08

Flora - I didn't bring it up. I was asked about it. I'm happy to have a look, do you have a link?

SinisterSal · 25/10/2013 23:08

Google it and see what you think.

there's not much point in plumping for regulation as a response when you re not aware of the other possibilities.

FloraFoxForAnyFucker · 25/10/2013 23:05

Plenty of information to be had on the internet.

Yougotbale · 25/10/2013 23:02

I've not heard of the Norwegian way of criminalising punters. How does it stand out against other practises

Yougotbale · 25/10/2013 22:58

Model. Sorry lol

SabrinaMulFUCKERJjones · 25/10/2013 22:58

Google it, bale.

FloraFoxForAnyFucker · 25/10/2013 22:56

bale - Nordic model.

wino I said on the other thread in response to your first interjection that I consider all surveys relating to prostitution inherently problematic if they try to represent the views or experiences of women in the sex industry. This is due to:

  • the difficulty in obtaining a representative sample (which your studies did not adequately address) and in particular obtaining the views of exited women
  • the formulation of the questions
  • the fact that surveys (including your favourites) take a patchwork approach of looking at only a limited set of factors rather than a comprehensive look at impaired agency
  • cognitive dissonance (e.g. the women in one of your studies who said they were in prostitution because they loved their abusive pimps and were therefore considered "not coerced")

What field of science do you supposedly work in? You seem to think the women in these surveys are simply fuck units data points to be plotted on a chart. You seem to have no understanding of sociological research and have ignored Beach's kind attempts to explain these to you.

Yougotbale · 25/10/2013 22:54

Sal, sorry, you also talked about smoking and normalisation. Weed was just an example.

Yougotbale · 25/10/2013 22:52

They are criminalised now. How is the Nordic model set up in terms of criminalisation?

SinisterSal · 25/10/2013 22:51

I'm talking about prostitution, not weed

What would you say about the Nordic model?

Yougotbale · 25/10/2013 22:50

Not true sal, most recently with weed in certain states of America. No significant increase. Plus all increase goes through doctors.

Ok assume you are correct. What is your plan? How would you improve the situation?

SinisterSal · 25/10/2013 22:48

What would you think of the Nordic model ie focussing on reducing demand by criminalising the punters?

SinisterSal · 25/10/2013 22:47

Of course it comes down to demand.

And I believe that that legalising and regulating it will strengthen demand. It normalises it. We know how powerful a force normalisation is - we can see that in the regulations regarding the advertising and portrayal of things like smoking.
Wherever that approach has been tried trafficking, illegal and exploitative parallel trades spring up alongside. It seems to increase the problem.

Yougotbale · 25/10/2013 22:43

I'd think that legalisation is the best way forward. To try and regulate it. I don't see any other way of dealing with it