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Bodily Autonomy - why everyone should be pro-choice

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AnnieLobeseder · 11/09/2013 21:50

I read this on the Feminists United page today, though they shared it from this page. I couldn't tell where the original came from.

But I think it's the best and most succinct pro-choice argument I've ever read.

"There's a concept called bodily autonomy. It's generally considered a human right. Bodily autonomy means a person has control over who or what uses their body, for what, and for how long. It's why you can't be forced to donate blood, tissue or organs. Even when you're dead. Even if you'd save or improve 20 lives. It's why someone can't touch you, have sex with you or use your body in any way without your continuous consent.

A fetus is using someone's body parts. Therefore under bodily autonomy, it is there by permission, not by right. It needs a person's continuous consent. If they deny or withdraw consent, the pregnant person has a right to remove them from that moment. A fetus is equal in this regard because if I need someone else's body parts to live, they can also legally deny me their use.

By saying a fetus has a right to use someone's body parts until it's born, despite the pregnant person's wishes, you're doing two things.

  1. Granting a fetus more rights to other people's bodies than any born person.
  2. Awarding a pregnant person less right's [sic] to their body than a corpse."
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MurderOfGoths · 11/09/2013 23:09

"So, who is then responsible for the baby?"

There's always the dad?

UnicornsPooGlitter · 11/09/2013 23:08

Okay. So, who is then responsible for the baby? Would this result in more pregnancy terminations or less? I could imagine arguments in either direction.

AnnieLobeseder · 11/09/2013 23:05

But then, of course, the issue of the medical costs of keeping the baby alive comes into play.

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AnnieLobeseder · 11/09/2013 23:02

The same applies. Age is irrelevant to the argument. The woman would be left in the same position as a man who relinquishes parental rights.

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UnicornsPooGlitter · 11/09/2013 22:55

Annie, gosh, that's an interesting idea that I haven't come across before. What about when medical knowledge improves further, and the age at which a fetus could be kept alive outwith the mother decreases significantly?

AnnieLobeseder · 11/09/2013 22:34

Oooh, my first double post!

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AnnieLobeseder · 11/09/2013 22:34

Unicorns. I agree that a foetus has bodily autonomy too, and as such, has the right to live outside a women's body if it is capable. For this reason, I don't think late-term abortions should automatically result in the death of the foetus. "Abortion" refers to the end of the pregnancy, not necessarily the life of the foetus.

There are many who disagree with me, but while I would argue that a women has absolute right to demand a foetus to be removed from her body at any time, she does not have the right to demand its death. If the foetus is capable of living independently, it should be allowed to do so, with the mother losing all rights of parenthood.

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AnnieLobeseder · 11/09/2013 22:34

Unicorns. I agree that a foetus has bodily autonomy too, and as such, has the right to live outside a women's body if it is capable. For this reason, I don't think late-term abortions should automatically result in the death of the foetus. "Abortion" refers to the end of the pregnancy, not necessarily the life of the foetus.

There are many who disagree with me, but while I would argue that a women has absolute right to demand a foetus to be removed from her body at any time, she does not have the right to demand its death. If the foetus is capable of living independently, it should be allowed to do so, with the mother losing all rights of parenthood.

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UnicornsPooGlitter · 11/09/2013 22:05
UnicornsPooGlitter · 11/09/2013 22:03

I'm pro-choice.

I worry about the timing of terminations though, and the argument that you've quoted does not include any mention of time.

And, probably in the same vein, what about the bodily autonomy of the fetus? Does it not have bodily autonomy at a certain stage?