OK. Please can we talk about women raping men?

Hello, I am still here. Just a quick point regarding the use of physical force when a woman rapes a man. In my case, it was the very fact that I was so much bigger and stronger than her stopped me using force.

I just couldn't bring myself to use physical force toward someone smaller and weaker than me, even when she was raping me. Which is kind of darkly comic when you think about it. I still couldn't bring myself to potentially hurt a woman physically even when she was assaulting me.

Probably social conditioning or benevolent sexism or something.

Why? It's a valid point I would have thought. Especially on a topic like this there's an argument that you should define the terms so everyone is on the same page.
there has been nothing but sympathy and understanding towards male victims on this thread. There has been no minimisation or belittling towards victims at all.

Nobody on this thread has said men can't be raped.

And generally men are stronger than women. It is no coincidence that in the awful experiences on this thread of women sexually assaulting men that men have been in a position that is weaker than than the woman e.g. asleep, very drunk, drugged or as a child. Force does come into sexual assault and rape regardless of sex.

I understand the definition of rape and all that. However when talking about men suffering abuse, within the first few comments it is focused on the word phrasing. Just speaks volumes to me is all.

Oh ok.
Thanks

Just some of the things from previous posts, not just women who say them either.

1. "Men cannot be raped"
2. "But men are stronger than women"

just as examples.

bitbewlidered I am not sure why you looked at that data and concluded that men were under-reporting massively as opposed to women, rather than concluding that less women commit sex offences?

Sorry, I totally misread your question! I don't think men massively under report, although I think under reporting definitely happens. I absolutely think that women commit these offences much, much less than men.

what things do women go around saying?

It's late - I probably am missing the point of your post

SinisterSal

Sorry? About what?

what do you mean Sunshine401?

It just doesn't get reported, I think. I would guess, wrt men, because they feel they would be ridiculed. There is plenty of evidence to suggest, certainly in the case of DV, that men are more likely to report and more quickly than women. I don't know if that is translatable into sexual abuse though.

Was just looking through the actually posts at the start of the thread. Many of which actually show the views I was pointing out and they are coming from women, so just image how the men must feel when women go about saying things like that. Some awful comments there.

sunshine I think you and I mean the same thing!

Men are more likely not to come forward/report when they have been a victim by the hands of a women. Sad but true.

Not saying men are more likely to abused by women, or more have happened. Just saying that due to societies attitudes men feel that being abused by a women is belittling to their "man status"
As a few posters have pointed out yes a lot of women also do not report abuse however that is different reasoning (still wrong) but I was just stating my point about men's actions towards abuse not women.

I think I have confused myself there sorry if it does not make sense If you understand my point well done

NiceTabard I probably wasn't clear. I didn't mention why I think women under report because it's a thread about women raping men. FWIW, I think that women don't report out of fear, mainly.

I would love to see your crime survey figures. Personally I just googled "how many women are convicted of sexual assault uk" and the ONS thing was the first thing to catch my eye as a reasonable source.

bitbewlidered I am not sure why you looked at that data and concluded that men were under-reporting massively as opposed to women, rather than concluding that less women commit sex offences?

Or am I misreading your post.

I always think the crime survey figures are good because they are asking people about their actual experiences rather than conviction rates and so on which obviously have problems due to under-reporting.

I agree. It is actually mostly childhood victims who don't come forward or take the longest to come forward. Well statically speaking anyway.

Couldn't agree more, lurkin.

Hopefully the tide is turning within the criminal justice system what with so many high profile cock-ups on sex offences and the yewtree stuff and so on.

What needs to change is society attitude to victims of sexual violence (ALL victims) and doing away entirely with the This is what a proper victim looks like and behaves like stuff.

I think a lot of work needs to be done in schools and at home where poss to teach all children about all sorts of issues related to sex and relationships. All children irrespective of sex or sexuality or what have you. The same rules should apply to everyone and support should be available across the board.

I don't think you'll find any feminists arguing with ideas along those lines though. So I'm not sure why it always comes up (actually I am).