OK. Please can we talk about women raping men?

An Overview of Sexual Offending in England and Wales released by the ONS in January 2013

I haven't trawled through it yet, though!

Very interesting thread, Curlew. I had been wondering about the assumption that men always have to be seen to be 'virile' and 'manly' or whatever, and how exhausting and untrue that must be.

Well, not an unattributed source 3rd hand in a magazine.

I am also REALLY uncomfortable with this idea of trying to force a conversation which is rather offensive frankly.

The implication is that feminists don't care about victims of sexual violence if unless they are female victims of male violence. This is cobblers. And the changes that are being fought for will benefit all victims of sexual violence.

So ner.

'Is that your idea of hard statistical evidence?

Whats your idea of it?

Is that your idea of hard statistical evidence?

Oh come on.

SF that article says that this crime is uncommon. The people who say 1 in 3 cite no source, and say it just after saying "The Santa Fe Rape Crisis and Trauma Treatment Center is among many around the country to acknowledge that while same-sex rape comprises a small percentage of rapes overall, it does in fact exist."

It's also an article not a source like BCS or similar. It is a 3rd hand quote and it doesn't say where from.

I read in cosmo about 15 years ago that 7 in 10 men would rape if they knew they would get away with it. I could plaster that all over the boards, if I wanted. But I don't because, erm, it was an unsubstantiated headline in cosmo. And if I did do that, I would expect people to ask where I got that stat from then I'd look like a bit of an arse when I said "cosmo about 1997" wouldn't I.

I'm not very impressed with your posts.

'Oh, just ignore her, FGS. How many important topics does she have to crayon all over before she is ignored? I know the truly knowledgable women on here attempt valiantly to engage with each and every hairy handed bridge dweller in order to try and teach them something, but surely there is a limit?'

Yep, I just linked you to a reputable source, a lesbian magazine with actual testamonies and stats, nothing to do with MRA anything, but you know fucking better and I'm a troll.

This would be a dream thread for a 'reasonable MRA' to really explain the issue and get people listening. We were all engaging seriously with some good posts above
Sadly I do think it's like NT said - it's more about hating women than helping men.

One interesting point has been made. That f on m sexual abuse is the flipside of the gender roles, that men are always up for it and would never say no to any sexual contact. A very clear illustration that Patriarchy hurts men too

'It's a shame the stats are quite old and a bit vague etc - it's a shame SF won't share her data with us, but apparently it's fine to quite stats and not substantiate them on the basis that people are "slobs".'

Just shared. Called Sheshelob 'slob' because she/he chose to call me fraude. Childish, but there you go. Can't believe I'm having to explain this.

There's a page of links here, if anybody wants to check them out. UK based site.

'Got a linky?'

www.curvemag.com/Curve-Magazine/Web-Articles-2010/Lesbian-on-Lesbian-Rape/

It's a lesbian magazine. Describes lesbian rape experiences in detail so poss triggering.

slob?

Thanks for the link Garlic. I'm not personally surprised that women can behave badly / abusively / poorly - the idea of passive femininity is obviously complete nonsense.

It's a shame the stats are quite old and a bit vague etc - it's a shame SF won't share her data with us, but apparently it's fine to quite stats and not substantiate them on the basis that people are "slobs".

Bizarre.

i don't know what is to be gained by desperately insisting that women commit crimes too. We know. Women are humans, and humans are sometimes awful. But a cursory glance at any corner of the world show that it's not at the same rate.
Are victims getting the support they need? that should be the MRA's priority, as it is for feminists.

And it is Shelob. As in massivefuckofffemalespider.

I'm not going to share it with you, slob

Where do you get your 1 in 3 from, sigmunde? Got a linky? Which is from a respectable source and includes figures for other groups as well?

I have to say that I think victims (I believe you) need to be encouraged to come forward across the board and the way to do that is via the means that feminists have been fighting for, for ages. Working to change the attitudes of the authorities and society will help all victims.

All of this is just a base denial that women, children and men suffer violence predominantly at the hands of men, isn't it. But that's just silly. The stats show it. Look at them. Look around the world. Denying the evidence from all over the place and from so many people and respected organisations is just silly.

www.pandys.org/articles/lesbiandomesticviolence.html

I want to know about this research, Fraude.

I'm desperate to know about it. I need guidance, see?

No SF. it's men doing the vast majority of raping, whether their victims are male or female.