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Explaining the bleeding obvious - why do we do it?

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rosabud · 21/08/2013 21:24

I really enjoy reading the posts on here, they are informative, thought-provoking, funny etc etc. However, I can't bear it when certain posters appear and try to pretend that something patently untrue is actually true and instead of saying, "no that's ridiculous and clearly untrue", we all spend time and energy explaining, linking to research, proving that, in fact, it's untrue.

Let's say I join the Oxfam website and engage in forums where people keep discussing why many people in the Third World are suffereing from illness and starvation. Imagine if i kept posting, "but some people in the UK are under just as much threat from starvation as people in the third world - it's an equally serious problem." Would all the Oxfam people spend time and energy proving to me that, despite there being some very poor peole in the UK, it is not the case that it is an equally serious problem? Or would they just say, "you are clearly incapable of recognising the bleeding obvious and, for that reason, there's no real point anyone on our website trying to talk to you about the serious issues n the Third World."?

Why do we all feel tht we hve to keep "proving" that domestic violence affects women more than it does men? Of course it does. Anyone in our society who has more than half a brain cell can see that. Anyone who cannot accept this, for whatever reason, is going to be equally incapable of engaging with any serious analysis of any major issue.

Sorry if it's not the done thing to rant about this - but I can't help it, feel so frustrated about it!

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BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 21/08/2013 22:36

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rosabud · 21/08/2013 22:32

Oh, crossed post. Should I not have started this? I'm never quite sure what is OK and what isn't. Yes, it was well-meaning though Blush

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rosabud · 21/08/2013 22:30

Yes, that's true, Buffy, perhaps there are a lot of lurkers who might otherwise be tempted to listen to the mischief makers if we didn't keep refuting it. I, too, am grateful to the posters who keep going with it. It's just so frustrating.

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EarthMither · 21/08/2013 22:20

That's a really good point Buffy - I suppose the Lindy West link could be used in cases of last resort though (along with the altogether snappier response of "JFGI"*).

*Just Fucking Google It

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 21/08/2013 22:12

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SauceForTheGander · 21/08/2013 22:10

Are we talking about genuine mischief making or ignorance?

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SauceForTheGander · 21/08/2013 21:54

Brilliant link Earth. Maybe we just agree to post that ?

EarthMither · 21/08/2013 21:48

Damn right OP - it's seriously annoying and also often used as a surreptitious derailing technique imo. There's a great piece on this by Lindy West here

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 21/08/2013 21:42

You are right rosa - I've said it myself so many times, but I just got sucked into that other thread. Like I don't have better things to do than argue with trolls.

BUt saying that - I do agree with Sauceforthegander too - I like that so many posters DO refute them.

Grrrr.

SauceForTheGander · 21/08/2013 21:33

I know what you mean. I just shake my head and roll eyes.

But am impressed by, and grateful to, the diligent, patient posters who argue against the shallow posters trying to criticise feminism. I feel if a post is ignored it looks like we can't refute it rather than we're ignoring it.