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Men, if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

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curlew · 16/08/2013 16:24

Fantastic article by Laurie Penny

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CiscoKid · 16/08/2013 17:21

Well, there we have it. Are you saying that this is not a good place to discuss aspects of feminist belief, to challenge some of its tenets, to exchange views? After all, this is a place to discuss feminism and women's rights, is it not?

If, by culture, the author means our (Western) system of beliefs, customs and manners, then I disagree with her. There is no hate.

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curlew · 16/08/2013 17:17

Say more, CiscoKid- whatndonyou mean, "set the tone"?

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SinisterSal · 16/08/2013 17:11

If you don't believe the culture is misogynistic, what in the world would bring you to the feminist topic?

CiscoKid · 16/08/2013 17:04

Yes. I got as far as paragraph 4, second sentence: 'But culture hates women....', and found myself shaking my head. I read the rest, but that really set the tone for me.

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curlew · 16/08/2013 17:01

Have you read the article?

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CiscoKid · 16/08/2013 16:56

There are neutrals though, at least in the political context. I can want women and men to be equal without wanting to be a feminist.

CaptChaos · 16/08/2013 16:45

Reference the title, I think it's mentioned in the Bible and, despite what GW believes, he aint Jesus

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curlew · 16/08/2013 16:43

Sorry, I thought that was a well known expression, CiscoKid- it must be my age! It means that there are no neutrals. If you are not actively part of the solution, you are actively past of the problem.

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ApocalypseThen · 16/08/2013 16:39

In this case, it's true. You think women are people and should be able to live like it, or you don't.

CiscoKid · 16/08/2013 16:36

Isn't the title a bit of a George Bush-ism? 'If you aren't with us, you are against us'. I wouldn't choose George as a shining light of political philosophy.

ApocalypseThen · 16/08/2013 16:35

It certainly has made a lot if men very angry. Not at the social structures, of course, dear me, no. About the idea that they might consider doing something slightly different to make the world safer and better for women.