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Rape Threats on Twitter

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BitBewildered · 27/07/2013 18:11

I've just seen this story on the BBC news app. I've not been on Twitter very much lately and am off to have a look now, but at first glance, what the actual fuck?!

www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23477130

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Moistenedbint1 · 06/08/2013 10:22

Think gang culture..

Moistenedbint1 · 06/08/2013 10:21

Scallops why do you immediately equate cat calling with intimidation. I find that completely nonsensical.

why aren't men shouting at other men in the street....

If you've ever roamed the streets at night, tapped into current affairs, read a newspaper, it becomes acingly apparent that young males are the group most associated with violent street crime.. Gbh, murder etc. Ironically men usually constitute both victim and perpetrator. So your assertion that it doesn't "happen to men" is utter nonsense.

Moistenedbint1 · 06/08/2013 10:03

Difficult to ascertain Doctrine. They're still young and I haven't delved into the topic of rape with them. But to summarize, I see no automatic continuum between cat calling and threats of a violent/sexual nature. Cat calling is often little more than crude, gratuitous sexual observations said to enhance the macho credentials of the individual in question. Threats of a sexual/violent nature often run contrary to this because they're motivated by the need to intimidate, manipulate, break the will of another or are simply espoused by inadequates desperate for attention (even negative attention)

scallopsrgreat · 06/08/2013 09:29

"highlighting discrimination against men" Where? Where is there discrimination against men???

You still haven't explained why you think rape threats don't come from the same "machismo" root. Also your explanation of machismo is weak to say the least. Yes there is a hierarchy of men which they are trying to get to the top of but by cat-calling/threatening women they are immediately putting themselves (i.e. men) above women.

Why aren't men shouting at other men in the street, because they are men? Or threatening other men on twitter, because they are men. That is what is happening here to women. It is purely because they are women they get cat-called and rape threats. That just doesn't happen to men.

Misogyny, male domination over women and a sense of entitlement. It all comes back to that (and that is what machismo is ).

TheDoctrineOfAllan · 06/08/2013 09:12

Would your DD not feel threatened by a man shouting "I'd like to get you in the back of my van" at her, MB?

Moistenedbint1 · 06/08/2013 08:53

Btw, highlighting discrimination against men is not synonymous with pro-rape mentality and to be frank, I'm deeply troubled that I need to even explain this to you.

Most intelligent feminists these days don't indiscriminately espouse the trite, hackneyed insults. No, pejorative shite, tends to generally emanate from women who are novices to feminism.

Moistenedbint1 · 06/08/2013 08:35

So, give me an example of this "pro-Rapey bastard guff"?

You appear to be laboring here Bewildered.

Actually, you know what? If you can't provide evidence to support your histrionic insults don't make them. It's counterproductive and generally only regurgitated by people who have no other valid contributions to make.

If you want to spew forth caustic bile, i believe the cesspit, that is the youtube comments section would be a wonderful outlet for you.

BitBewildered · 05/08/2013 14:46

MB1 I said you, like some of the charmers on twitter, are spouting pro-rapey-bastard guff. You are using the same (lame) arguments about how men get abuse too, and how clearly misogynist behaviour has nothing to do with the clearly misogynist society we live in. You seem to me to be quite keen on defending the pro-rapey-bastards. Perhaps if many other people have said this to you, we have a point?

This is a thread about rape threats and why such things exist. Do you have ANYTHING AT ALL to say on that subject? You have said nothing pertinent to that discussion so far.

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DuelingFanjo · 05/08/2013 14:08

I agree that Cat calls are on the same continuum. My point was that there are people out there who believe that women should just shut up and accept that they are either being complimented or that the threats are not serious and if they can't just shut up and accept that then they should stop going out/dressing a certain way/using social media and so on.

People shouting uninvited stuff at me in the streets is something I find threatening. People touching me up on public transport is something I feel like I want to confront as it is happening but in reality I know that I would actually feel frightened if I attempted to draw attention to acts like this. Frightened because if I grabbed their hand and held it in the air and shouted 'who does this hand belong to? I just found it on my arse. Would any filthy disgusting pervert like to claim it" then I couldn't be sure of their reactions and I couldn't be sure of the actions of those around me.

These kinds of things start happening to women from a very early age, while still in school. Most women I know (if not all) could give examples of this kind of attention being paid to them from an early age. Some of those women may shrug it off but that is most probably because, like stated earlier, they have been socialized into a fear of making a fuss and just accepting that it's better not to make a fuss.

The Twitter rape threats are the same as these cat calls and street groping. They make women feel scared and invaded. Why is it OK to invade my space with unwanted negative attention and comments like this?

AnyFucker · 05/08/2013 12:58

Thought it was just me Smile

BitBewildered · 05/08/2013 12:56

No, it happens on my phone and laptop. I have reported it, to see if they'll put a link on instead, but nothing so far.

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AnyFucker · 05/08/2013 12:53

Is it just my PC that automatically defaults to that post with the clip in it, even if I click on another ? Just out of interest.

BitBewildered · 05/08/2013 12:51

Yes, AF, I thought she was good. Very patient with Toby Young, too.

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AnyFucker · 05/08/2013 12:19

Only just watched the Newsnight clip. Stella Creasey, MP was very good wasn't she Smile

Moistenedbint1 · 05/08/2013 12:00

Men like our very own Moistened...

You really are clueless... About to start rolling out the trite, hackneyed, oh so predicable pejorative crap are we.. Ooh it's an "mra", "rape apologist", "hand-maiden colluding with the patriarchy" .. "Completely unaware of her own subjugation" blah blah fucking blah.

Heard it all before. Countless times.

Oh and I'd like an example of that "pro-Rapey" stance please.

Pro-Rapey.. Christ what age are you? Are your parents even aware you're using the computer unsupervised?

BitBewildered · 05/08/2013 11:47

So, these threats are still continuing. And men like our very own MoistenedBint1 are still trotting out the pro-rapey-bastard guff (as amply demonstrated here).

It is a sad state of affairs.

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TheDoctrineOfAllan · 05/08/2013 10:53

Wishful thinking on the part of the shouter, MB?

Moistenedbint1 · 05/08/2013 10:45

Sounds more like wishful thinking Doctrine.

TheDoctrineOfAllan · 05/08/2013 09:12

Hi MB

Was the second phrase in my list a rape threat or a catcall, in your opinion?

Tortington · 05/08/2013 02:14

i don't think its insecurity at all, i think that gives them a cop out tbh

BitBewildered · 05/08/2013 02:08

Yes, I do understand that. I still wish they'd fuck off though, when it happens to me. I don't see why I must put up with having humiliating and degrading comments yelled at me from a passing white van. Just because some neandertal bloke has a vague insight into his own inadequacy? How is that fair or right. Anyway, that's another thread. Rape threats on twitter are connected to the same misogynist sense of entitlement.

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Moistenedbint1 · 05/08/2013 01:07

And this is precisely why they usually have an audience during a "cor look at the rack on that" episode. It's totally transparent behaviour.

Moistenedbint1 · 05/08/2013 01:02

If cat calling was purely "machismo" and male place-marking the blokes would be doing it to each other

Admiring the ripped pecks on your mate Bob isn't going to garner you any brownie points down the pub though, is it? Many men (esp insecure ones) seem to have this inate need to communicate how "hetero" they are and that often manifests itself in catcalling.

BitBewildered · 04/08/2013 21:51

These threats are still happening. I understand that it's just words on a screen, but this is, as MNHQ would say, beyond the pale.

People send stuff like that because they know it will upset the recipient. Why does a woman having an opinion frighten some men so much? Why do they feel that it is justifiable to abuse another person so viciously? I know they're inadequate little bigots. However, I do believe that it has a lot to do with the general objectification of women in the media, and in society as a whole (get yer tits out). So many people seem to be blind to the misogyny displayed everyday in every walk of life.

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AnyFucker · 04/08/2013 20:56

They don't exist

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