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Dispatches - women conned into sexual relationships/having children with the police

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RikeBider · 24/06/2013 20:44

Is anyone watching this? I'm finding it unbelievably shocking Shock

Interesting reaction from one uncover policeman when the interviewer suggested it wasn't consensual as the women weren't able to give informed consent.

Unbelievable that these relationships lasted YEARS and has been a police tactic for the best part of 20 years.

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sashh · 25/06/2013 01:28

A one night stand you don't really care what someone does, it's just sex. That is what you are consenting to.

A long term relationship is a different matter. If you are consenting because you share the same values then you find out it was all a sham then you didn't have informed consent.

TheDoctrineOfAllan · 25/06/2013 01:12

Err, no,Pete, not if those men in a club aren't employed by the state to pretend to be something they are not in order to infiltrate an activist group.

OctopusPete8 · 25/06/2013 00:53

I watched this and as much as its creepy and morally wrong, the term 'raped by the state' was hysterical to say the least.
There are hundreds women who will go to the club and have sex with someone after like an hour and not even know their name, in that case the person doesn't know their job is either , is that rape too?

NiceTabard · 24/06/2013 22:54

Christ almighty. That is. Well. Wrong. But not at all surprising.

I wish them all a positive decision and a hefty payout. And if any of them decide to put any of that towards environmental activism then that would be a lovely up yours to the authorities, although nothing compared to what was done to them.

RikeBider · 24/06/2013 21:51

No, once she stopped being useful he had nothing to do with the child - I think he is an adult now.

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NiceTabard · 24/06/2013 21:35

I guess the police are working for straight, white, wealthy men, the same as everyone else Sad

NiceTabard · 24/06/2013 21:34

Funny how I was able to guess that Hmm

I didn't realise that one of the women had a child with an undercover policeman. Is he supporting it, is the state supporting it, what is the state of play there? She is due a truckload of compensation, child pension rights etc etc.

The latest stephen lawrence revelations are just horrendous. But is anyone surprised any more? I think the green activists were another force (?) but the MET are fucked over reputation wise. Of course lots of people had problems with them before - ethnic minority groups, rape victims and so on. But now, it's just scandal after scandal so much so that surely everyone needs to take note.

Also occurred to me that the police seem to be red hot keen on investigating victims. Just makes you think, staying out of their way if at all possible is the best thing to do. How do they expect anyone to trust them?

RikeBider · 24/06/2013 21:26

Yep, he said exactly that - it have never occurred to him that it wasn't really consent, but that he agreed that it wasn't really consensual and they wouldn't have had sex with him if they'd known.

8 women were bringing a case against the police for the distress they'd suffered - some of them had had 6 year relationships with these "men". One who had a child with an undercover (who dumped her once she'd had the baby and wanted to spend more time mothering than protesting) said she felt she'd been raped by the state. One woman wasn't even involved with activism - she seems to have just been used to add to the cover story.

That's before we even go into the Stephen Lawrence stuff.

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NiceTabard · 24/06/2013 21:11

Is this the story about the environmental activists and that mark whatsit?

What was the reaction of the undercover policeman. My guess is that it hadn't crossed his mind that it wasn't consensual even though these women wouldn't have touched a copper with a bargepole under usual circs.

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