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Charles Saatchi. Oscar Pistorius, Roman Polanski, John Leslie, Mel Gibson, Charlie Sheen, J Simpson, Jimmy Savile, Chris Brown, Paul Gasgoigne,

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Greythorne · 18/06/2013 00:52

You know the way whenever we discuss DV, the menz crawl out and start the 'women commit DC just as much as men' routine?

Well, can anyone give me a list of high profile / world famous / Olympian women who have been photographed or found guilty or admitted to DV or sexual abuse?

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Greythorne · 18/06/2013 08:39

So, to recap, we have:

Rebekah Wade Brooks
Tonya Harding
Ryan Haddon

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TheCrackFox · 18/06/2013 08:26

Sean Connery.

ChaosTrulyReigns · 18/06/2013 08:15

KayeCroydon. Greythorne was addressing an answer to the poster called BeyonceCastle, rather tham listing Beyonce as another famous violent person.

KateCroydon · 18/06/2013 08:06

What's Beyonce been accused of?

Aetae · 18/06/2013 07:59

(sorry grammar pedants, that should be others' Blush)

harryhausen · 18/06/2013 07:59

I don't think this quite works for the OP, but Matthew Wright (presenter of the Wright Stuff Ch5) often brings up his experience of DV from his now ex-wife (when relevant to the programme). I know he can be a bit of a joker but he's been deadly serious about this. He's never gone into gory details but has chastised people for 'sniggering' at DV towards men. Of course, he would be the first to say its not as widespread as DV towards women.

However, how would we know? Most men would never tell anyone.

So, I think most people would agree. DV towards women is more prevalent , but DV towards men exists. Do we have to turn it into a battle?

Aetae · 18/06/2013 07:58

There are two things in this, I think, and they're hard to separate because in society you tend to see both in the same people:
1- posit: men are inherently more violent because of biology (testosterone etc).
2- posit: powerful people are more likely to feel that social boundaries related to other's physical sanctity don't apply to them

Does testosterone make people violent? Yes, you can see it in steroid abusers. But not in all men and only large amounts of testosterone. And women can get testosterone spikes as well (not to mention oestrogen spikes that cause emotional outbursts).

I'm more in favour of the latter theory to explain your list OP - anyone with enough power can be a violent abusive twat, men are more often in power than women.

BrainzMeanzHeinz · 18/06/2013 07:52

Has Oscar Pistorius been found guilty? If not, then he hasn't yet been photographed or found guilty or admitted to DV or sexual abuse, he has admitted to killing Reeva Steenkamp but in a tragic accident not as a result of DV. Time will tell.

Technically speaking, JS doesn't fit your parameters either but I don't think you can libel the dead and I don't think anyone would argue with him being evil.

ExcuseTypos · 18/06/2013 07:51

Well, if he's not been found guilty, you can't say he has committed dv on a public forum.

Oscar P- hasn't been found guilty either, yet, so you can't say he has committed DV. It is libellous to do so.

Remember the recent case of Lord McAlpine? He has successfully sued people who tweeted things which alluded to him being a pedophile.

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Greythorne · 18/06/2013 07:48

Meant to add: John Leslie, feel free to sue me.

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Greythorne · 18/06/2013 07:42

Baffled as to why my title is libellous!

The only questionable one is John Leslie who has not been found guilty.

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ExcuseTypos · 18/06/2013 07:41

Yes I amGrin.

Oh dear, that's ridiculous and maybe points to the fact that are are slightly unhinged?

BrainzMeanzHeinz · 18/06/2013 07:41

Apart from anything else, it may simply be a reflection of the fact that generally there are more high profile / world famous / famous Olympian men than there are women. (Which is obviously a whole different debate!)

ExcuseTypos · 18/06/2013 07:40

as much domestic violence as men

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Greythorne · 18/06/2013 07:39

Excuse

New to the feminist board? Because the argument is rife on here.

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Greythorne · 18/06/2013 07:39

Twat not tear

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ExcuseTypos · 18/06/2013 07:39

Agree your title is libellous.

And I've never ever heard a man say that women carry out as much domestic violence as women. They must be utterly mad to think they can get away with saying that.

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Greythorne · 18/06/2013 07:38

noble

Yes, Lennon was a real disaster, wasn't he? I read Goldman's biography and he comes out of it as a disablist, misogynistic, entitle tear whose treatment of Cynthia, Yoko and Julian beggar belief.

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normaleggy · 18/06/2013 07:36

Funny how Cheryl Cole then goes on to be a 'national treasure'

noblegiraffe · 18/06/2013 07:35

John Lennon is very famous and missing from your list

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Greythorne · 18/06/2013 07:34

Beyonce

Whilst your examples are useful reminders that women can be violent criminals, we are discussing DV / sexual abuse of a partner. This is the crime that the menz - especially on this particular board - love to tell us is just as prevalent by women as men.

I don't buy that for one second.

Although I do buy that women such as Nakmi Campbell or Lauren Socha have violent tempers, no self control and a horrific sense of entitlement.

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Greythorne · 18/06/2013 07:30

I know!
Oscar shot and killed his GF.

Might not be murder but it's about as violent as you can get.

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Greythorne · 18/06/2013 07:29

Naomi Campbell and Cheryl Cole have both attacked other women, AFAIK. They are clearly violent but wouldn't sat they have committed DV / sexual abuse.

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scallopsrgreat · 18/06/2013 07:28

Oscar Pistorius has never denied killing Reeva Steenkamp. That is as violent as you get.

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Greythorne · 18/06/2013 07:27

The thing is, whenever anyone tries to say men are more violent than women, a whole load of people rock up and say 'oh! oh! but women do it too!' like this lets MEN off the hook. No-one is saying that women aren't violent, but equally why should this stop us from examining why men are far more violent, far more frequently

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