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Sigh. I've been deleted and blocked by yet another feminist page on Facebook....

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AnnieLobeseder · 16/06/2013 19:34

...for daring to disagree with them on something they've posted.

Are they really so bloody-minded that they can't handle debate on their philosophies? I realise they get a lot of nasty trolling spam, but there's a world of difference between MRA nastiness and another feminist wanting to debate feminism!!

Is it just me?

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AnnieLobeseder · 16/06/2013 20:20

My Nigel is lovely! Grin He's not perfect, but that's just because he's a product of the patriarchy. He's quite happy to listen to what I say about feminism and I've seen his views changing in response to discussions we've had. Not sure anyone could ask more of anyone.

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AnnieLobeseder · 16/06/2013 20:18

Tunip - to quote their comment...

"In case anyone was in any way unclear about what lurks in men?s minds and psyches, or what their precious Nigels think about and hope other men are really doing to women and children (and animals, inanimate objects and even other men) so they can find it online and wank to it?we present the proof, in the men?s own words."

Do you interpret that to mean "some men" or "pretty much all men"?

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AnnieLobeseder · 16/06/2013 20:17

Wipeout Misogyny.

Looking through their page with new eyes, it is quite angry and a bit "all men are bastards". For example, they claim "you won't find sympathy for men on this page, which is focused on the harms done to women by men."

No indeed, I wouldn't expect a feminist page to be sympathetic to men. But to only focus on how men harm women? Not sure how productive that can be. They do claim to be encouraging women to be angry so they will get more pro-active about challenging the patriarchy. Any I can see some logic to that. But as I said to them, that doesn't fit in with my personal feminist philosophy.

So wish them well, but we will have to part ways.

I still think it was petty and foot-stampy to just delete and block me. If they're so sure of their position, shouldn't they be able to debate it without just making anyone who disagrees (in a non-trolly way) go away?

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TunipTheVegedude · 16/06/2013 20:16

Did they actually say 'all' men do this? Or just 'men do this' and you read it that way? Because that miscommunication happens a lot.

Lizzylou · 16/06/2013 20:14

I agree wholeheartedly with DomesticCEO.
Good for you for defending your Nigel though op Grin

TunipTheVegedude · 16/06/2013 20:02

Which one was it?

DomesticCEO · 16/06/2013 20:01

The "all men are bastards" attitude is sadly what puts a lot of women off feminism - as a happily married woman and mother of two boys it makes me seethe that some women think this attitude is acceptable.

TheMindBoggles · 16/06/2013 19:58

Not my nigel Grin i don't know why, but i really like that phrase.

Eyesunderarock · 16/06/2013 19:57

Rod Liddle is usually an arse, but in today's ST there's an article with him and Camilla Long having a dialogue. One of the points he makes about the relaunch of Spare Rib and the squabbles is
'Why should we chaps bother to try and divide and rule, when the ladies do it so thrillingly by themselves?'
Ammunition to the opposition is always a bad move, and an inability to debate reasonably does exactly that. They bring marshmallows to toast and snigger.

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AnnieLobeseder · 16/06/2013 19:56

I just don't think that painting men to be some great evil enemy to be overcome is doing anyone any favours.

Like it or not, we are going to have to work with men to change the world. We just don't have the power to do it alone. So we have to show them that feminist philosophies are good for women and for men. That we have common ground.

Outright "revolution" by women to "overthrow" men just isn't realistic on any level.

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AnnieLobeseder · 16/06/2013 19:52

They had posted some very disturbing search terms men have used to look for even more disturbing things on the internet. Fair enough, and a reasonable insight into how some men think.

But they posted that this was how ALL MEN think, that ALL MEN search for filth like that, and that any woman who thought differently was suffering from a severe case of "Not my Nigel".

So I pulled them up on it.

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scallopsrgreat · 16/06/2013 19:45

Oh no Annie. That's a bit shit. Was the debate controversial or something?