i don't know what women are. do any of you?

You're not a freak, chibi. It does strike me though that you might get more support on a forum that is more oriented toward genderqueer/nontraditional gender identities. On MN the whole gender identity debate has become very loaded, especially in FWR, after a series of quite heated threads about transgender people and feminism that, while pretty irrelevant to your question, stirred up some strong feelings.

chibi.
I don't feel like I'm in some gender club either. I know what my sex is, but I also fail at a lot of gender role things.

chibi I don't think what you are describing sounds abnormal at all. I have no feelings I could describe as feeling "like a woman". I don't believe gender categorisations - male brain / female brain - are helpful for women and they are deeply patriarchal.

And please, you are not a freak. You're just you, like I said before. :) There are other people who feel like you do - if you read the link, I think you'll be the agender type.

chibi you are not a freak, lots of people on this thread alone have said they don't positively feel like women.

Chibi, do you think you have a misconception about how a woman should feel ? I don't sit surrounded by an otherworldly feeling of womanliness or think womanly thoughts. Nor do I feel any pride or horror about what I am. There isn't a sense of peace or tranquility from having sex and gender matching. There is just an unremarkable nothingness to it. It's the lack of any discomfort or awareness of being a woman that gives me my sense of me.

Does any of that make any sense at all ?

Maybe this link will help you a little, chibi?

Why don't know if you're a woman chibi? I assume that you don't feel like a man either. Isn't the fact enough - or do you think you have to go around feeling like a woman all the time? I don't. Do I stop being a woman when I'm for example, alone and busy with work?

Littering ? Meant pottering.

What exactly is the problem OP? That you want to feel like a woman and don't, or that you don't have a word to describe how you do feel?

Oh, honestly, anyone who does believe trans people should be forced to live a miserable life is a twit and not worth bothering with.

I do think people can probably choose gender to some extent - but that's because I think it's socially conditioned so there's an element of choice as well as an element of pressure.

What I think is more worrying is people being told 'you must act like this and dress like this' whatever their 'gender' or sex.

I can't imagine what it'd be like to have a man's body, but then again I can't imagine what it'd be like to have a different kind of woman's body.

I'd say for anyone who's upset by wondering why they don't feel the way they think they should, first thing to do is talk about it and work out why you're upset. It doesn't matter if you then decide none of the labels fit. You just need to work out where you stand and what you can do to make yourself feel better, if you can do that without hurting someone else.

Do you have to be anything ? What's wrong with just being you ?

Presumably people think you are a woman and if that doesn't cause you distress the why does it matter ?

I only really become aware of my sex and gender when there's negativity attached to it. On my own, littering about, it really is inconsequential.

Hmm, I'm inclined to agree with Eleanor.

Would you prefer to describe yourself as agender OP?

No, you are being ridiculous and offensive by suggesting that's what I meant.

Do I believe people can be whichever gender they choose? No. Do I think trans people should be forced to live a miserable life in the body/gender they believe is wrong? Also no.

Do I think feminism benefits from this constant sniping about born women and trans women and blah blah blah? No. Not in the slightest.

As I said, live and let live fgs.

I am a woman. I feel female. I have no idea how much of it is biological, gender or simply perception.

Neither my biological sex nor my gender cause me any distress possibly because they match in the way that society expects. It must be difficult to be in a different position.

Is it something that causes you distress and that you need to resolve ?

That's also how I feel FuturePerfect

I think it is unfortunate and slightly dangerous that anyone (and especially women) have to be so cautious in the way that they explore and ask questions about how they fit in with normalised categorised expectations of gender.

Yes, it is important to be aware of one's own privilege - in this case that you were born with a sexual morphology that you content with, but in this case the minority interest does have the protection of and recognition in law - i.e. the Transgender position that you are what you feel is protected by gender recognition laws.

There should be room for anyone to say "this definition does not fit with how I feel about my own gender, and I feel it undermines it". Provided that the discussion is developed in a spirit of enquiry, and respect that other people might have different views, it is hugely important that it should be allowed to happen without the OP feeling criticised, or that she should give greater precedence to the feelings of others over her own experiences and feelings.