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Small things that make you angry and you feel you can't mention elsewhere

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MalenkyRusskyDrakonchik · 11/06/2013 17:08

I was thinking that maybe we need one of those threads that reminds us we all have much more in common with each other, than any of us does with the misogynistic bigots. Smile

I don't know what the feministy equivalent of 'first world problem' is, but I bet there are loads of things you've been itching to point out annoy you, but don't start an AIBU about, or don't moan to your colleague/DH/mates about because it feels insignificant.

Maybe we can all have a good moan here - and maybe back each other up that these things typically aren't so small and insignificant really!

I will go first. I noticed the other day how, when I'm walking down a pavement, I automatically move to the side out of the way of busy men striding along with briefcases. Even when I'm busy. Confused Why do I do that? And how come I feel rude - and do get funny looks - when I don't do that?

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AmandaPandtheTantrumofDoom · 14/06/2013 18:20

Following on from your's Freudian. The fact that, if a man comes round to read the meter, as I let him into the house there is a part of my brain worrying I am going to be the victim of a sexual attack. Yes I always check ID and what have you, but that would never have to cross a man's mind in such a situation.

The casual condoning of violence by male toddlers. At a toddler group today three mums were trying to have a serious conversation about school admission. Two year old boy runs up to DD2 and another girl and whacks them. Boy told 'darling, don't do that little girls don't like it' (stress the mother's, not mine and meaning what, it would have been acceptable horseplay if he had hit a boy) and another mum says "I'm so glad I have three girls". All with boy in earshot, so he has just received the message that boys can hit boys, and that hitting is inevitable as a male. Grrrrrr.

FreudiansSlipper · 14/06/2013 18:07

when i have someone round to fix something (sadly always men) i get the little lady treatment

and worse is having creepy men trying to chat you up because they know you are single now i hang mens clothes about and leave shoes out (after bad experience was advised to by police)

of course no every workman i have had out is like this.

HeartsTrumpDiamonds · 14/06/2013 17:19

Try going back and reading the unexpurgated versions of Noddy books. I was absolutely shocked and binned all of them lovingly saved by my DM to pass down to my DDs, please don't tell her

They're really racist too.

Salbertina · 14/06/2013 17:14

Too true. Political correctness doesn't always extend to upholding women's rights in practice.

Quangle · 14/06/2013 17:06

Salbertina, I have to disengage critical faculties to read Dahl to my children - it's horribly misogynistic. Though v appealing in other ways. An equally racist writer would not have survived.

Quangle · 14/06/2013 17:04

The fact that the use of "Master" has died out whereas "Miss" has not. So on forms, my 3 yo DS gets to be Mr whereas DD and I are Miss.

People saying "So-and-so is a real Old Woman". They are almost always talking about a man.

Mansplaining. Always and everywhere. At a work lunch the other day the guest started talking about the Marathon des Sables. He turned to me, the only woman at the table, to explain what it was. He assumed the others at the table knew. I already knew.

Salbertina · 14/06/2013 16:57

And my gripe is more about the great frequency of such words not their use per se. I know Dahl is dark humour and that's what the kids love about it.

Salbertina · 14/06/2013 16:46

How misogynistic, even hateful so many classic stories are! Just been listening to George's Marvellous Medicine and quite striking, constant references to grandma as "ugly" "horrible" and an "old hag" Angry don't hear any male equivalents! Never noticed as a child...

TooOldForGlitter · 14/06/2013 16:43

also, being made to feel like you are being deliberately awkward for saying, "No, it's Ms" (and then being told by some twit at the bank that you can't use Miss if you are divorced and you have to use Ms)

TooOldForGlitter · 14/06/2013 16:42

At what age do you have to be before being called "young lady" is just bloody patronising? I'm 32 not 9. Probably being picky aren't I.

TaurielTest · 14/06/2013 16:17

Dressing up days at school with binary gendered choices - "come as a knight or a princess" "come as a pirate or a mermaid".
I hate this because it makes a big issue about dividing the class by gender - awful for gender variant children and for children for whom gender isn't a big deal (my DS is like this), it's like school is telling them "oh but it is, these things matter very much, now which side are you on?".
And also because it's teaching the girls to be ornamental and the boys to be swashbuckling, or whatever, and setting the idea of a bold girl or a beautifully dressed boy up as transgressive. It saddens me...

UptoapointLordCopper · 14/06/2013 10:12

Bring a bus home. Envy

StealthPolarBear · 14/06/2013 09:56

Your dh bringz a bus home?! Going to look out for the "neighbour parking" aibus :o

SnookyPooky · 14/06/2013 09:37

When we moved abroad all the shipping admin was done by me, my name was on the paperwork etc. When we went to do the collection at this end the port authorities addressed only my husband. He had to keep referring to me but they just didn't get it, they just kept on saying Mr Snooky blah blah.

Also our car, a monster 4x4 is mine. My name on all the docs. Husband does not have a car as he drives a bus for work and brings it home. It's not hard to drive or park imo and I love it but lots of people, male and female have said it is too big for me, pppppffft. And I always drive, it's my car.
Also there is a dent in it where he reversed it into a tree!

The best driver I know is my Mum.

Portofino · 13/06/2013 22:43

Start ail, but it is not a real choice. Women have used child care since the year dot. Family, fiends, baby minders, whet nurses etc. working class women ALWAYS worked. This stay home and do quality time is a NEW thing. Society never died out meantimes.

scottishmummy · 13/06/2013 22:35

I'm more bemused at blaming feminism for nursery use.funnee
I've used nursery from 6mth old I'm more than happy to slam the kids in
too young to articulate the ignoring and ill treatment received from the nmw staff

Portofino · 13/06/2013 22:30

Being the main wage earner and all that unmotherly shit. Hmm

Portofino · 13/06/2013 22:28

Sorry. It was me that said that. It was meant to explain MY circumstances not to have a pop at others. I consider your posts to be more judgemental as some women NEED o work. As I did.

Startail · 13/06/2013 22:21

99.9% of badly paid child care workers being other, often younger women.

Startail · 13/06/2013 22:20

I'm bloody fed up of 'feminists' who think the only right thing for a women to do is stuff her DCs in child care to be looked after by poor sods on the minimum wage.

So much for choice!

Startail · 13/06/2013 22:18

Also all of you who feel you have to qualify your comments with "we both work FT" annoy me.

It doesn't matter a Fuck if you work full or he works full time, are SAHPs, work part time, are out of work or anything else.

It takes two people to make a child, they should both do a share of care and taxi driving.

It's just as disrespectful to mess up a SAHMs evening out because you can't be bothered to remember your DDs ballet class as it is if she works!

Portofino · 13/06/2013 22:15

Hire vs high. So why is India providing all these female software developers?

Portofino · 13/06/2013 22:13

Yes - generally very poor. I have noticed though that where we high off- shore contractors ie India, 50% of them are women. I would like to know what India is doing with regards to education that Europe isn't.

Startail · 13/06/2013 22:10

Porto Grin DH does IT and generally comments women are very thin on the ground.

Didactylos · 13/06/2013 22:06

my 4 yr old firmly states he has no eyelashes because he is a boy
He has noticed the classic cartoon convention
that only female characters, anthropomorphic animals and animate cars have eyelashes

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