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Small things that make you angry and you feel you can't mention elsewhere

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MalenkyRusskyDrakonchik · 11/06/2013 17:08

I was thinking that maybe we need one of those threads that reminds us we all have much more in common with each other, than any of us does with the misogynistic bigots. Smile

I don't know what the feministy equivalent of 'first world problem' is, but I bet there are loads of things you've been itching to point out annoy you, but don't start an AIBU about, or don't moan to your colleague/DH/mates about because it feels insignificant.

Maybe we can all have a good moan here - and maybe back each other up that these things typically aren't so small and insignificant really!

I will go first. I noticed the other day how, when I'm walking down a pavement, I automatically move to the side out of the way of busy men striding along with briefcases. Even when I'm busy. Confused Why do I do that? And how come I feel rude - and do get funny looks - when I don't do that?

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MalenkyRusskyDrakonchik · 22/06/2013 22:14

Hi de.

I don't mind it when it's people using it to little children, when it's the equivalent of 'gentleman' (IMO).

What I mind is when people talk about 'ladies' when they would say 'men' to men. In my experience, if people (for example) assume I wouldn't be as practical as the men in the group, they will refer to me as 'lady'. I don't quite know why the things correlate, but my experience is they do.

I think any time when people are referring to women using a term that's not comparable to the term they'd use to refer to men, it usually says something about how they see men and women as different.

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dementedma · 22/06/2013 22:11

Just read the first few pages and genuinely want to ask what the problem is with being called a lady? I picked up a dropped teddy today and gave it to its little owner who was told by her mum to "say thank you to the lady"
Say thank you to the woman, would have sounded very odd and a bit rude I think

MalenkyRusskyDrakonchik · 22/06/2013 22:04

Yes, that made me absolutely furious too.

I have seen some anger about it, but not enough.

It makes me feel sick and I find it really upsetting that there seems to be a culture of normalizing this by saying 'I know so-and-so who married the bloke she started seeing when she was 14 and he was 30'. Hmm

I know someone who got together with her boyfriend when she was 15 and he was 22. They got married 7 years later and are therefore vocal about it being a success. It is the creepiest relationship I know. I can't begin to think what it's like when it is someone who is in loco parentis.

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scottishmummy · 22/06/2013 22:01

it's how it's trivialised and diminished,the casual dismissal of his grooming the power imbalance
I've seen fair few mn comments akin to well she was up for it. shocking
I despair,are some so impervious to the pernicious nature of abuse that they blame the victim

TheCrackFox · 22/06/2013 21:37

That really pissed me off too Scottismummy - if Jeremy Forrest had committed the exact same crime against a 15yr old boy people's reaction would have been totally different.

scottishmummy · 22/06/2013 20:01

Jesus,the Vctim blaming towards the adolescent Forrest groomed and her mother
seems some think men can't help themselves and adolescents are prick teases
the normalising of abuse,the minimising language routinely used.im so angry

SplitHeadGirl · 22/06/2013 18:45

I haven't yet read the whole thread, but what I hate is when idiot men dislike what you are saying, and so accuse you of having 'Daddy' issues. Never mind my dad (along with my husband) is the most decent, kind man I have ever had the privilege to meet, but HE is the one, with my mum, who has taught me to be proud of being a woman and to fight my (our) corner!!!

StuffezLaYoni · 22/06/2013 18:31

I'm glad to see others have experience of the woman/food thing. When you think about it, it's the ultimate restriction on a person isn't it - their food? Visiting my extended family is excruciating as they all talk about their various weight losses and congratulate each other, while I sit in the middle, acutely aware they see me as some sort of failure for being fat. Would be nice to talk about our jobs or interests at some point....!

SnookyPooky · 22/06/2013 17:53

< Your dh bringz a bus home?! Going to look out for the "neighbour parking" aibus >

Aye, he brings the bus home, it's only 32 seats so not a great hulking thing.

superbagpuss · 22/06/2013 17:39

in the days when I had staff I would occasionally ask her to make me tea when I was super busy, I would do the same for her if I was making

her job title was receptionist and my pa, not that it matters

she left and I had a male temporary replacement, people were surprised when I also asked him to make me tea Hmm

I always treated my staff the same

rosabud · 22/06/2013 17:15

Oh dear what rattles my confidence is readng about all of your rather clever and amazing jobs and feeling a bit inadequate as a result! Blush And that's annoying because I bet men never feel like that!! Smile

UptoapointLordCopper · 22/06/2013 09:08

That's a bit shit LeBean. Would you phone up trader x and give him some "advice" for the future?

I must say I make it a point never to make tea for anyone unless it's my own guest. I remember in my early days when someone pointedly said "it would be nice if someone would make tea" and I pointedly glared at her and sat firmly on my bum doing exactly nothing. I wasn't even busy...

AnnoyedAtWork · 22/06/2013 08:52

Ooh strikethrough fail! Anyway the whole thing really rattled my confidence Hmm

AnnoyedAtWork · 22/06/2013 08:50

I am an analyst and the other day one of the traders (whose specific market I cover, lets call him trader x) called me from another floor and asked me to call trader y in the US. Bit surprised, but ok, maybe he wants to discuss one of my recommendations. I asked trader x, "is it urgent"? - "yes".

Ok so now I'm freaking out thinking what have I written recently? so anyway I call trader y and say its calling from London what's up? He then starts going on about being stuck somewhere and needing a flight to Denver to meet a client and can I arrange this! I said I don't deal with this, who normally books your flights? He says "you do!" "No I don't," I say, this is from research!

He apologised and said he didn't know what trader x had done but would call him back himself. Turns out trader x had confused me with one of the PAs! We have the same first name but in order to call me on the internal system he would have had to type in my last name. bearing in mind my full name is all over my published research which he clearly does not read .This is someone I work with - not every day but still!

UptoapointLordCopper · 22/06/2013 08:23

schooldidi you are not married and you have children! Shock You scarlet woman. Grin

I have also been brought up too well to retort with comments about other people's eating habit ... Especially when I was young and really skinny (nothing to do with me - just the way it was - same weight since 18 till I have children). All those comments! Like it's anyone's business. Luckily all my colleagues and friends now are people who like food and are polite. May have subconsciously dropped the rude ones?

SolidGoldBrass · 22/06/2013 00:29

Oh the food thing... Years ago when I had an office job I often used to have a pub lunch with my two best mates at work, and we would sit and stuff ourselves merrily with huge fryups. And pints. I remember a random man passing our table and making a snarky remark about dieting, and being furious but unable to think of a good replay.

schooldidi · 21/06/2013 23:48

stuffez that annoys me too. I always fill my plate and eat as much as I want without batting an eyelid when I'm with others from my school. Then when people make a comment I ask if they are going to make the same comment to greedy male colleague too. I've gained a following of unashamed women eaters, we all sit together Grin

My little gripe today was the complete and utter shock that year 7 had at the revelation that I'm not married Shock (hardly a secret as my name is Miss on their books) and yet I have children ShockShock (again, not a secret, I talk about my children an lot and most of them have met dd1). This would not have come up for a male teacher as they don't have the same thing of changing names or the Miss/Mrs thing.

MalenkyRusskyDrakonchik · 21/06/2013 23:38

It's not too late - I'd say the more the merrier but it's not quite accurate! Grin

That is really creepy!

stuffez - yeah, women and 'naughty' food annoys me too. I am deeply petty, but I was reminded of this bloke who used to refer to his girlfriend's wife as 'a naughty Chardonnay' every bloody time.

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Neezy · 21/06/2013 23:30

hope it's not too late to join in here, because it's right up my street. Major gripe at the mo is a man who works at the gym i go to. I only started going a few weeks ago to get in shape for summer and every time I see him there, he tells me that my 'figure' is looking better and that I'm doing really well. I find him so patronising and ridiculous, but what annoys me even more is my own behaviour. I'm so conditioned to be polite that I just smile and say thanks rather than telling the creep where to get off! I really annoy myself and fume about him every time I'm at the gym.

StuffezLaYoni · 21/06/2013 19:30

Right. This one has pissed me off for days and as I've been on residential I haven't had the signal to post it!
The trip I've been on is a residential for Primary kids. Every night the centre puts on free wine and sandwiches for teachers. We all sat and had a drink and chat... Except the men were helping themselves happily to the food while every so often a woman would look really guilty and apologetic and daintily dive in for a tiny sandwich or cracker. And there was ALWAYS a guilty, justifying statement - "I really shouldn't after that dinner" "they just look so tempting" etc. it was interesting to sit and watch.
I know it's not the biggest issue in the world, but why do men feel they can eat as much as they like, while for women, eating seems "naughty" ?

KateBeckett · 20/06/2013 20:45

The new bloody sudocreme advert - for all of life's adventures, with 2 little boys as the main focus.

Because of course little girls don't hae adventures!

It boils my piss!

JacqueslePeacock · 20/06/2013 20:24

It wasn't just people being unconvinced by qualitative research, though, was it? It was specifically posters saying "if you want to publish this, you're going to find it hard" and "you need to think about finding a larger sample size", i.e. trying to teach a professor how to conduct research.

I don't mind people not finding the research convincing, but patronising the researcher and telling her she doesn't know how to do research is another thing. Would it happen to a male professor? Not sure.

MalenkyRusskyDrakonchik · 20/06/2013 20:20

From my perspective of, ahem, not knowing what the heck I'm talking about (Grin), I'll nod wisely and say that sounds very true about how people see this kind of research. I'm sure talking to other academics would be different.

Of course people are sometimes going to think a trained specialist in whatever discipline is talking rubbish and they know better. I dunno ... wondering about it.

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