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Men responsible for more crime and violent crime than women, anyone researching why and what to do about it, please?

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Italiangreyhound · 07/06/2013 00:02

Is anyone doing research into why commit more crime and more violent crime than women, and in stopping them doing it?

I am gob smacked after millennium no one is working out what the problem is and solving it.

Read this and apart from the utterly ludicrous comment "It may turn out that there are some acts that men are more likely to commit than women, and vice versa. More men than women commit crimes like homicide and aggravated assault. But women are more likely to commit crimes like prostitution. Whether that's because of human nature or that there's a far more complex explanation is still a mystery."

It just left me wondering why no one is doing anything.
science.howstuffworks.com/life/men-more-violent.htm

Actually a female writer in the Times on Sat 18 Ma or Sunday Times Sun 19 May was asking the same thing but I can't find the link!

Googling around just got me depressed!

www.salon.com/2013/02/20/house_goper_men_can_handle_violence_better_than_women/

www.dosomething.org/tipsandtools/11-poignant-facts-about-women-around-world

So I've stopped looking for now! Sad

Crap isn't it!

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MilgramsLittleHelper · 07/06/2013 20:57

I'm not a Feminist as such, but if you need advice on the (mathematical side) of the research methods I'd be happy to help. :)

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Italiangreyhound · 07/06/2013 20:23

Thanks namechangeguy and LRDfeminstdragon no time to read at moment but will get back to it.

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JuliaScurr · 07/06/2013 17:37

feminists support all genuine attempts to undermine stereotyping by virtue of sex

LRDtheFeministDragon · 07/06/2013 17:37

I am enjoying the irony that when I defer to the opinion of a man for whom I have great respect (ie., Patrick Stewart), I get harried by the 'poor menz' brigade who insist that I should femsplain his words.

Hmm.

NinthWave · 07/06/2013 17:35

Steak lolly, is that like a kebab? Yum.

My sons have a feminist mother AND a feminist-ally father. My poor fucked up offspring.

JuliaScurr · 07/06/2013 17:34

LRD is not ignorant - fact

returning to Italian's op, the study of masculinity is obv a good place to start. All oppressive gender stereotyping is of interest to feminists

LRDtheFeministDragon · 07/06/2013 17:32

That's true, doctrine, what a filthy hypocrite I am.

TheDoctrineOfAllan · 07/06/2013 17:30

Strawberry flavour?

I thought you were a steak favourer?

number24601 · 07/06/2013 17:26

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LRDtheFeministDragon · 07/06/2013 17:24

But I am ignorant, darling.

number24601 · 07/06/2013 17:23

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LRDtheFeministDragon · 07/06/2013 17:21

Good good, I like strawberry flavour lollipops best myself.

number24601 · 07/06/2013 17:18

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LRDtheFeministDragon · 07/06/2013 17:16

doctrine - no worries! Smile They're just a random selection, I don't even agree with all of them, just wanted to get the message out that people are really working hard on this issue, and from lots of angles.

LRDtheFeministDragon · 07/06/2013 17:15

I think that men bottling up their feelings does not excuse violence, but does contexualise it. I can't put that better than Patrick Stewart did in his recent speech.

I know plenty of men and boys who feel able to cry. I have also seen this issue come up in FWR discussions of how to raise feminist-friendly sons, although as I don't have children it's not something I know much about.

I don't 'know' the ridicule a grown man gets for daring to cry, because I'm not a grown man who's ever been ridiculed for crying. Nor, thank goodness, does it seem to be commonplace for the men in my life. It helps that many of my male friends are not from cultures where there has ever been a stigma about men crying. I do think that is much healthier.

I have, however, seen men shout down women for crying. In fact I've been on the receiving end. When I was a student one of my lecturers decided he would demonstrate to me that I was not of a suitable temprament to go on to do a PhD, and he decided the best way to do this would be to keep telling me I was talking nonsense until I broke down in tears, and then he shouted over me while I tried to apologize for crying and explain myself.

Over the course of my PhD, I discovered he had been factually wrong about a couple of the things he mentioned, which isn't relevant but made me a damn sight happier!

TheDoctrineOfAllan · 07/06/2013 17:12

LRD, thanks for those links.

number24601 · 07/06/2013 17:11

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LRDtheFeministDragon · 07/06/2013 17:09

Cross post.

What has feminist analysis of privilege got to do with men crying? Feminists don't do the 'big boys don't cry thing', you're thinking of sexist twits there.

IME, some of the nastiest and most misogynistic parents I've known have been the ones who tell their little boys that sort of utter crap. Along with making out that it's somehow 'manly' to shout down women.

TheDoctrineOfAllan · 07/06/2013 17:08

I have never heard a feminist saying big boys don't cry.

I've heard men and women who don't identify as feminists say it.

TheDoctrineOfAllan · 07/06/2013 17:07

No they don't.

LRDtheFeministDragon · 07/06/2013 17:07

'People' who say those things are sexist idiots.

number24601 · 07/06/2013 17:06

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TheDoctrineOfAllan · 07/06/2013 17:04

People do not say "what about the menz" regarding men crying or talking about their feelings. As you may have been told before.