How can any woman NOT support the No More Page 3 campaign?!

Agreed, op. I was very slightly involved in Clare Short's original book Dear Clare, This Is What Women Think About Page 3 which was published in the early 90s.

I have to say I find it even more puzzling that there are many women who don't object to pornography of all kinds being no more than 3 clicks away on the internet. And then there are those who are willing, even happy, to make their living from performing in it.

I love the campaign to get rid of Page 3 and to put the lads mags behind covers in the newsagents. Love them both. But it seems, sadly, pathetic in the face of the millions of images of rape and violence available on every device that can connect to the internet, with very flimsy controls available, which depend entirely on someone making the decision "not to look".

Can we stop calling the Sun a newspaper? Its an oxymoron

'Noone is holding a gun to their head'

oh thank FUCK

I really thought they were (will stop here in case I turn myself on)

Erm, no planned I don't buy the paper because I find it offensive not just the page 3, mind you

The models do it by choice no-one is holding a gun to their head!! You get offended by it? So you buy the paper to be offended?
I do t see the problem with page 3 at all!! But that's just me!

is there a petition to KEEP page 3? Argh that is FUNNY and it hurts to laugh

really, why would you do that?

"and I imagine the same people have signed it multiple times"

It takes one to know one, Libertarianj. This puts the whopping 2400 signatures on your "Keep Page 3" petition in a different light.

What Hully said

And photos of tits is part of it. it normalises seeing women as sex objects

can't believe I'm having to point this out in 2013...

Are you?

Goodness how sad

still a little depression is a small price to pay to stop the wholesale abuse of half of humanity

^no one can possibly defend it that has even one insy winsy tinsy brain cell

no one

and that means anyone defending it on this thread

please feel free to take offence^

I don't take offence, I just feel depressed that you think insulting other women is an appropriate way to make you point.

Yes, a Facebook group is definitely massively convincing evidence that supporting page 3 is a good thing. where did i say it was? i was just making a point about freedom of choice.

The petition requests that the editor removes the page, and does not want a legal ban. It takes half a minute to sign. the petition has been around since August last year, and i imagine the same people have signed it multiple times now. Isn't it about time they actually handed it to the Editor?

If only I wasn't so distracted by my boobs, maybe I could care about more than one thing at once...

Honestly, I don't get why people find it so easy to accept institutionalised casual sexism and think this is not important enough to challenge.

Worrying about this doesn't stop me from worrying about other things.

The petition requests that the editor removes the page, and does not want a legal ban. It takes half a minute to sign.

If you don't like page 3 and would prefer if it didn't exist, there is really no logical argument why you shouldn't sign.

Honestly, I don't get why people choose to get so worked up about this.

It's an archaic tradition presented in a medium that is dying on its arse day by day. Print media won't even exist in 5 years time.

Does it objectify women? Sure. It's still no worse than anything you can see on any holiday beach, and it's a damn sight better than what you'll see in any town/city centre on a Saturday night. But still, it does.

But then the Diet Coke ads and Twilight objectify men. Hello and OK objectify celebrities. That's what media does. It objectifies.

I don't really give a shit whether P3 exists. I worry about channels like TLC promoting shit like Honey Boo Boo; or the news deciding 3 o'clock in the afternoon is the time I really need to know about a soldier being horrifically killed in London and showing me the CCTV footage to prove how horrific it is.

Don't buy the Sun. It really is that simple. Worry about the important things.

Just seen your name I am a liberal and in many respects probably a libertarian. Some people give libertarianism a bad name.

Yes, a Facebook group is definitely massively convincing evidence that supporting page 3 is a good thing.

Wow the thought police are out in force with this one!

just to add some balance to the proceedings (assuming peeps still believe in democracy?):

www.facebook.com/SupportPage3

www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/keep-page-3-keep-page-3-in-the-sun-newspaper

It would be interesting to see how many signatures it would receive if it was given the same amount of press coverage as the 'No more... ' campaign.

when people say they don't support censorship, did they draw a line at all?

I certainly draw it in a looser place than the current British establishment does, yes. Racist slurs are a good example. I don't agree with hate speech laws in principle. I'd rather know who the racists are so that I can avoid them in consumer decision making, and quite possibly directly attack them for being ignorant twats. Last thing I want is them silenced and resentful when I might be unwittingly patronising their product, and when an alternative scenario might be that I and others band together to genuinely isolate them. That is what I think should happen. I don't want the decision being taken out of my hands.

But the point is a facile one anyway, because the fact is we're not designing a society from scratch, we've got the laws we've got. I'd settle for them not getting any more repressive.

Sorry, that should read 'the women who don't support the no more page 3 campaign'.

^^ Yes, misogyny and sexism are so bloody boring.

I agree OP. I think the women who don't support page 3 at best have accepted the sexism and objectification that we see every day. At worst, they hate women.

Yawn

I think all the women who think its harmless fun and a part of British Institution should campaign to keep page 3.

After all we need to keep all those hunky mechanics happy. I can't imagine what callendar they would have instead, probably none. They wouldn't know what day it was, we can't have this

FFs have you nothing else to worry about, lol.