How can any woman NOT support the No More Page 3 campaign?!

I wholeheartedly support ones right to agitate politically,it's part of liberal democracy
I also accept we don't all share or feel compelled by same causes
that in no way renders my opinion of greater/lesser gravitas than anyone else

Rumblegreen, of course that is how they are going to view it. That is why the campaign needs to keep going, and why many more signatures are needed.

I hope it will become clear that a lot of potential customers object to having Page 3. Don't forget, there are a lot of people who don't like page 3 but do not sign the petition, for example because they think the petition wants a ban on naked breasts. And not everyone who would object to Page 3 may have heard about the campaign. Or agree in principle but think signing won't change anything.

I just think we've got to keep trying. It's all we've got.

well we can't all be as eloquent as Scottishmummy

Scottishmummy

OMG, this has to be a first but I actually agree with your last post and feel exactly the same. Never thought I'd see the day.

someone asked how would I explain p3, I've stated how I'd do that
if someone else cannot adequately explain p3 to kids that's not my look out
aspects of parenting is negotiating difficult topics,and explain in age appropriate way

is that your schoolgirl arguing?tell me you is talkin shite. are you 15?
you see I don agree with you but I can hold it together and more coherently than you
you're not going to win any substantive points if that your range

As long as the sun has willing women to have their photos taken and and no significant loss to their client base because of page 3 there is zero incentive for them to withdraw page 3. From a business point of view they are more likely to lose readers (money). I doubt those 100,000 that have signed are representatives of sun readers so why would they care they don't buy their product anyway.

That's probably how they would view it.

all change has happened because people made it happen sausage. Scottish ? you repeatedly say people should know what to say in response, and then prove there is no reasonable response. it doesn't take paxman to see you're talking shit as usual

If you are telling your children that page 3 is simply to do with the commodification of sex, then you are lying to them, and they will notice. They will notice that the image is always of a woman. Children are not stupid.

page 3 isn't about the commodification (sp?) of "sex"
it's about commodifying the female body in a way that appeals to heterosexual men
The fact that the image is always of a woman, is what the problem is. That is the part that's hard to explain in any positive way. I cannot see a good way of telling small girls that there are topless women in the daily paper because male (hetero)sexuality needs to be pandered to while other sexualities do not.

oh spare me the faux paxman grilling.i have an adequate explanation
I am more than capable of having open conversation about range topic when necessary
and I am comfortable with that

and you haven't explained why you accept it and don't fight it. When your daughter says, "ok society thinks women are sex objects, why is that ok with you?" what's your answer? I fight things if I thing they are wrong. I want my children to stand up for what's right. I work to change things I think are wrong and luckily decent people always have. if I say to my daughter sex sells so people use women to sell shit, and you will always be seen as tits and ass, but mummy doesn't care enough to try and change it. How the the fuck do you tell a kid that

There is estimated to be over 3m female readers of the Sun. When they stop reading then things might change. Estimated the sun has over 7m readers. So when you look at the number of people who have signed the stop page 3 petition the number is a tiny percentage. Just people talk a lot, fact is unless the paper can see a reason to stop page 3 all the signatures don't matter. Perhaps when the campaign gets the equivalent to the number of female readers people will think it worthwhile to take note but till then it will only change if the those in charge want to change.

I can't what?p3 exists as we live in society that commodofies and sells sex
I have absolutely no problem explaining that to my kids
it's not my lookout if someone else cannot think how to explain p3 to their kds

sounds like you can't Scottish

are you saying you genuinely cannot construct a conversation about p3 with child
well,lets see it will be a discussion informed by your pov,and an acknowledgement p3 distasteful
as parents we filter,frame and explain all kind stuff to our kids,like the woolwich killing

I don't like page three but whether it should be banned is a different question. I loathe Anne Summers and certainly think that should be banned from city centres. What is the point of making a big fuss about porn on line when there is this debasing vile stuff on the high streets.

MN is full of people asking for advice on how to discuss stuff with their kids. What with it being a parenting site, and all.

I think the reason that no-one is suggesting an honest, straightforward way of explaining the presence of topless women in a daily newspaper to young children, is because there isn't one.

why you need strangers advice on how to discuss various topics with your kids?
you will have your own preferences,your own discursive style,all informed by your pov

why dont you you something about Ann summers then. rather than say others should start there

So no advice on what to tell them then. No-one even able to give a reason why it is there?

With classical art, there are plenty of naked men as well. So that makes explanations much much easier.
With the sun though the reason is that many men like looking at naked women, and it is so important that they need to be able to do it on the bus every morning. And why there are images of this type of women in the paper but not of men - which boils down to sexism and homophobia. I don't feel comfortable telling them that.

scottishmummy,

The petition doesn't ask for a ban. It wants the Sun to withdraw it.

teachers doubt bring the Ann summers catalog to schools parents dont tend to read it infrint of their children

I don't think it needs banning as a matter of priority. And actually my pov is that I think Ann Summers has more to answer for.

what about the news blurb previously mentioned on thread. married? that doesnt debase women? news in briefs?