Isn't the name of Mumsnet itself sexist?

@Pappleapple If we want to reduce the suicide rate we have to tackle the known risk factors, and among the top 3 are depression, being a victim of violence, and being a victim of child sexual abuse.

Women attempt suicide at the same rate of men but tend to be less successful as we use less violent methods.
Many women attempt suicide within 24 hours of being the victims of domestic violence.

www.bbc.com/future/article/20190313-why-more-men-kill-themselves-than-women

It’s the internet, call whatever site you want, whatever you want to call it. If it finds its niche it will do well.

There isn’t really a way to win on this point. Either you have the name Mumsnet, and you open up the possibility that it’s reinforcing gender stereotypes through sexism. Conversely you name it Parentsnet and you erase the much larger contributions women are still making in the sphere of parenting, also sexism.

You can’t have it both ways, so I’d be inclined to give them a little good faith on this point. I’m a Dad and been posting here for many years, and for what it’s worth haven’t found it an especially unwelcoming place for Dads.

I think we all no that the name “mumsnet” is not inclusive

Why does it have to be inclusive? Is netmums an inclusive name? Do fora that deal with specific issues around race, religion, disability, sexuality have to name themselves to be inclusive of people who don't fit into the demographic they are serving?

Or, as I suspect, is it only this forum you are intent on berating regarding their name and their supposed lack of inclusivity? The agenda you and other posters who have posted on this thread bewailing the lack of inclusion by the mean feminists, women and mums on Mumsnet can be seen for what it is from outer space.

Men do not need to be and should not be included in absolutely everything, women are entitled to their own thoughts and spaces to discuss them without centring or having to listen to the views of owners of the mighty penis.

Yes, I have actually. A lot of men and male groups are disappearing because a lot of men want true equality. However we area now seeing a lot of women seeing this as a threat as they know that true equality means that women will loose some of their hidden privileges that they have had for some time. I don’t agree with divisional gender groups regardless of gender. We are people and should work together.

If you really do want to talk about reducing male suicide then charities like CALM do great work, and they have loads of ways you can help here - www.thecalmzone.net/get-involved/take-action/

I'm sure Parentsnet will be a great hit. Best of luck Papple.

I am sure there's a tech savvy man out there somewhere who could create a parenting site that's more aimed at men than this one.

Or do you think they need women to set it up for them?

Sounds like a great idea.

Why don't you start up ParentsNet? Nobody is stopping you.

So if I have a group called “mansnet” or “dadsnet” would that make you feel more included and likely to join or less? I think we all no that the name “mumsnet” is not inclusive.

Wouldn’t. Parent net be more inclusive? Someone was talking about how women have things so hard and men are privileged. I commented highlighting that there is 1 male every 2 hours in the U.K. killing themselves, highlighting that men have never been privileged.

Here's the bit of Mumsnet specifically for Dads:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/dadsnet

Maybe that will help?

No one is excluding men from mumsnet.

I'm not sure what male suicide rates have to do with this forum either 🤷‍♀️

Not sure how changing mumsnet to parentsnet will help reduce male suicide tbh?

Men on average do have it easier than women
Many men don't do well in a patriarchal society
These facts can both be true at the same time

Men also tend to use more violent , effective methods to kill themselves. This explains much of the difference In suicide rates ..attempted suicide rates are less sex differentiated

Given that it's the patriarchal society, not women per se, that causes problems for many men, you would think that they would want to work with women to effect societal change,

but it seems many want to gain self esteem in a hierarchical fashion, using power over wome, so perpetuating the values of the patriarchal society that gives them so little

Nobody mentioned shutting it down. Just making it more inclusive. Problem is people see this as a threat. No worries though. I’m a fan of everyone.

A men’s rights activist!??? No, someone who is highlighting that men are killing themselves all over the world at a rate when there are people saying that men have it easy. Not really

I'm almost nostalgic for threads like this, isn't it weird to see all those old usernames too!

Well that was a fascinating read from so long ago! And still men want to shut Mumsnet down down so must be doing something right.

I think we're supposed to be seen and not heard NeurotrashWarrior, smiling and nodding is good, ideas and opinions is bad.

What's so terrible about mums?

Gosh, being called sexist is so delightfully retro.

used to be

Probably get a strike for it these days though