Isn't the name of Mumsnet itself sexist?

Men are not starting their own groups based on gender only however women are.

Men don't need to and they are actively trying to, and succeeding in some instances, take over and destroy women only groups, spaces and services.

There are women only gyms, women only swimming pools

Are there? Good. I've only ever heard of woman only sessions at swimming pools and gyms and I am sure if you think really, really, hard you'll work out why women, especially of a particular demographic, not only want but actually need these services.

There was a women only swimming pond on Hampstead Heath, but men campaigned to have it changed to include males and they succeeded so now there is a Male only swimming pond, and two mixed swimming ponds, most notably the males point blank refused to allow women into their pond. Now women of a particular demographic which regularly used the women only pond can't use it and don't use it - yay progress.

90% of teachers are women, CAFASS is mostly women, Child services is nearly 100% women, recruiters are nearly 100% women. So you see, all of the underpinning parts of society with the most influence on society is all women.

Once again, think really, really hard why that would be, here's a clue men on the whole consider those careers beneath them, those careers are not valued, or in a lot of cases paid well. In the case of child services being female dominated do you really not understand why that would be?

Cancer research U.K. has only just bowed to Leah all pressure as they wouldn’t allow men to run with women and there are more and more women only charities.

I don't know what you mean by to Leah all pressure can't even guess at it, but why should men be allowed to run with women? Why can't men organise their own run? As to why there are more women only charities, again have a long hard think why that would be.

There are just as many men that suffer with abuse but don’t report it as we have a very bias system.

Why are women expected to solve this and every other problem men have for men? Why don't men speak out about abuse, support those who are being abused, campaign for, set up and fund domestic violence shelters, services and helplines for men? You know like women had to and still have to regarding domestic violence against women. Why should women give up what they have fought tooth and nail for against all the odds because men can't be bothered to do the same for themselves they would just rather take what women have got and push women out in the process.

Why have “mumsnet” and not just a “parentnet” that includes everyone? One question, that’s all I’m asking. Thanks

Why not? Who is not included? I asked you earlier and you failed to respond so I'll ask again:

Do you think every organisation and space set aside for people with particular needs based on race, disability, sexuality needs to include absolutely everyone in the whole wide world even if they are not in the demographic the organisation is for? Thanks.

Of course those who are intelligent chose not to swear

Fucking A!

Why, for the love of god, dont mumsnet lock these threads

Of course those who are intelligent chose not to swear

I’m fucking intelligent! 😒

There are women only gyms, women only swimming pools, women only charities, 90% of teachers are women, CAFASS is mostly women, Child services is nearly 100% women, recruiters are nearly 100% women. So you see, all of the underpinning parts of society with the most influence on society is all women.

Mega Lolz at this. What about government, the FTSE100, the Judiciary, Universities, science?

Its only the lowest of the low who swear right?!?!?!

Wadda load of fucking bollocks

Yeah, how do you revive a 7yo thread? I'm kind of impressed.

This thread is reminding me of victimfocusblog.com/2018/01/03/stop-asking-me-what-about-men/ like night follows day

If you think parentsnet would be a successful business, you need to approach your bank for a small business loan and set it up.

Sorted!

(I like it here. So won't be joining that parent one, thanks.)

Men are not starting their own groups based on gender only however women are.

I would say we should maybe wonder why this is, rather than writing off the group that wants time and space away from the opposite sex in certain situations as sexist or whatever.

Also a bump of a 7 year ld thread..longest zombie I have seen yet I think.

It's Saturday, campers, yay!

Men are not starting their own groups based on gender only however women are.

Because they don't need to, they're the default human.

And yes intelligent people can choose to swear, they just chose not to!

Just got to this gem. Of course those who are intelligent chose not to swear. Its only the lowest of the low who swear right?!?!?!

• Because this is a business. Not a public, taxpayer funded resource. A business, with a Unique Selling Point (USP) that it was a forum aimed at British mothers.

The fact that MN outgrew its origins and now is (a) a website for all parents (b) also a website for people with no children, with boards covering many issues - parenting, women's issues, education but also many other topics - clearly demonstrates that it is 'inclusive' to anyone with enough sense not to be put off by a label.

If the name acts as a bit of a filter so that the men who post here tend to be sensible, non-misogynistic blokes (dervel upthread is one of many examples) then given the vast preponderance of male dominated, sexist websites available on the internet then frankly I can only see that as a good thing.

Stay or go, your choice.

We've got a 'multicultural families' section and a 'black mumsnetters' section for specialised discussion, too.

Shall we get rid of those because their presence makes racists too uncomfortable to join the website?

I do find the fact that there is feminist section on here does make it a site that men do not find inviting.

The feminists section even existing is a problem for (some) men?!

I don't really get this. Why not just..stay out of that section if it makes you feel uncomfortable. I don't use loads of areas on here, easy enough done really.

I see also the 'man hating feminists' trope a little further dwn. Same shit different day.

I don't see a issue with the name. It started by mums, for mums I think, and evolved to be for parents instead of just mums. I know a few men on here and none of them mind it being called mumsnet, and they also have no issue with it being a primarily female space. That part of it is why I love it so much actually, so rare..ad very very different to male dominated spaces.

Why have “mumsnet” and not just a “parentnet” that includes everyone?

Because this is a business. Not a public, taxpayer funded resource. A business, with a Unique Selling Point (USP) that it was a forum aimed at British mothers.

The rest of the internet is very male dominated, to the extent that I use unisex usernames on all orher social media, to avoid getting sent sexual messages. I love mumsnet because I can use a female nickname and not have that happen.

The name mumsnet brings me and other women here, and then advertisers pay the founders money to reach my demographic as an audience.

If you think parentsnet would be a successful business, you need to approach your bank for a small business loan and set it up.

Ok I’ll rephrase it. I don’t have the time to look am right now. Men are not starting their own groups based on gender only however women are. There are women only gyms, women only swimming pools, women only charities, 90% of teachers are women, CAFASS is mostly women, Child services is nearly 100% women, recruiters are nearly 100% women. So you see, all of the underpinning parts of society with the most influence on society is all women. Cancer research U.K. has only just bowed to Leah all pressure as they wouldn’t allow men to run with women and there are more and more women only charities. There are just as many men that suffer with abuse but don’t report it as we have a very bias system. So anyway, I have a question. Why have “mumsnet” and not just a “parentnet” that includes everyone? One question, that’s all I’m asking. Thanks

Pappleapple may I ask you why you resurrected this thread from 7 years ago?

(How did you even find it!)

Yes, exactly the same as women continuously complaint about men groups and I agree with them. See, there’s those that want change and equality and those angry creed that want to keep things as they are because they know they are benefiting. I don’t need to try and argue. The more and more time goes on the more obvious it is for all people that some people don’t want to change. But it will.

Thing is Pappleapple I don't know if you have noticed during your exploration of inequalities on social media forums in general, but there are not many sites that women (and men) but primarily women can share experience, advice and information or just generally chat without men derailed, minimising or down right abusing us.
The internet can be a horrible place for women but Mumsnet is one place where women are in the majority and I think that's really important for us.

Maybe hidden privilege is code for vagina.

We are working together. Men, dads, all sorts of males post here. Even on feminism chat. It's just the site title isn't the Male default. You know how most things are male default, football and women's football, bikes and women's bikes ...

@Pappleapple Sat 05-Dec-20 11:54:23
Yes, I have actually. A lot of men and male groups are disappearing because a lot of men want true equality.

Can you name 3?

I'd love to hear more about my hidden priveledges ... what exactly are they? Me too, midgebabe, they must be extremely well hidden because I'm really struggling to find them.

I'd love to hear more about my hidden priveledges ... what exactly are they ?