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Isn't the name of Mumsnet itself sexist?

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MissPeach · 09/05/2013 16:17

The Mumsnet slogan is 'By parents for parents', suggesting that it is of course, for mothers and fathers. Yet the name Mumsnet would suggest otherwise. It suggests that the forum is only for women, which in turn conveys the idea that women do more parenting than men.

To be honest, it doesn't irk me that much, but it was just a thought I randomly had, and was wondering other opinions on it.

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Blistory · 19/05/2013 20:56

Ha, I could point you to three threads today alone where the only people defending men are feminists. And that's not an unusual occurrence. Feminists hold good men in high esteem.

Ilovemyself · 19/05/2013 20:55

Yonitime. What I mean by that is that rather than equality they want to make men feel bad about themselves or bad about coming into a female dominated area.

So much for equality

Ilovemyself · 19/05/2013 20:53

The reason I feel uneasy is because I hate getting flamed by feminists who hate men because they are men.

As I said, I have no problem with equality. My wife and I share the parenting. I have worked for male and female bosses. But if Feminist agenda makes a site uneasy for men then surely it is a step too far. This is, after all, a parenting website

YoniTime · 19/05/2013 20:50

So there are people here whose plan is to rule the world - and they're starting this by creating a site for mums named mumsnet which has a feminist board? Did I get that right?

Blistory · 19/05/2013 20:50

Sorry but no. I've had a shitty day on here reading all sorts of crap about women being treated in humanely. About the rights of men coming first and on and on.

I'm really not in the mood to guide you through Feminism 101. Another time perhaps if you really are genuinely interested. Alternatively if you ask on the FWR boards then there is always someone willing to take the time for reasoned debate.

Ilovemyself · 19/05/2013 20:44

Please explain then.

Blistory · 19/05/2013 20:44

And should I point out the part of your post where you stated that you would prefer not to have a feminist section as it makes you feel uncomfortable asking for advice on this website.

So you're happy to make use of us when you want as long as we don't have feminist discussions.

That ^^ would be the very reason why feminism is still needed.

Blistory · 19/05/2013 20:39

You clearly misunderstand what feminism is.

Ilovemyself · 19/05/2013 20:30

Blistory you have just shown what I was on about. If you had read what I had written properly you wad have seen that I said that equality is fine. It is those that want to rule the world rather than being equal that are the problem.

And isn't your final comment sexist. I am getting some fantastic help from others on here on an issue I need help with. But you hate the fact we feel put off by some of the feminist comments. If you want Mumsnet just for women's that is just sexism in the other direction

Ilikethebreeze · 19/05/2013 19:33

dadinthehat, why would you have to be a SAHD to be on here?

Ilovemyself, agree that they ask about feminism on there. Not sure what else. Though I dont post regularly on there myself.

Blistory · 19/05/2013 19:33

Feminism going too far ?

What, like wanting men and women to operate on a level playing field ?

Damn feminists ruining Mumsnet for men.

YoniTime · 19/05/2013 19:28

Feminism, like any other fight for equality is unfortunately highjacked by those who fight not for equality but want to take things too far.

That sounds ominous. What are those women planning to do? Please tell us more.

Ilovemyself · 19/05/2013 19:07

"Would you ask for advice on the feminist part though?
I dont think there is much advice sought on that part of MN, by men or women."

I think many women ask for advice on there, some even asking about feminism when they have never thought about it.

Feminism, like any other fight for equality is unfortunately highjacked by those who fight not for equality but want to take things too far. It also has the problem that "outraged from Tunbridge Wells" will always over react to issues or make issues where there are none.

dadinthehat · 19/05/2013 18:55

Another stay home Dad here, obviously...

Call it FanjoPalace.com for all I care. Keep it (mainly) friendly, informative and entertaining.

I've been here for over 6 years and I've been helped, informed, flamed, pedantic and unreasonable and kept coming back for more. I've even got a plastic card announcing me as a tsarina somewhere. That only grated a little.

Ilikethebreeze · 19/05/2013 18:15

Would you ask for advice on the feminist part though?
I dont think there is much advice sought on that part of MN, by men or women.

Sunnywithshowers · 19/05/2013 18:15

Arf Yoni

Ilikethebreeze · 19/05/2013 18:14

That is an interesting pov, Ilovemyself.
Even that a feminist site exists on MN, you find it off putting?
Would never have thought of that one.

Ilovemyself · 19/05/2013 18:12

Oops. I must apologise that I only read the first 15 posts or so as I didn't realise there were 2 other pages. Still stand by my comments though, especially having read the feminism pages-it is not friendly to men who would be keen to ask for advice as well

YoniTime · 19/05/2013 18:04

I feel you man once I visited a site mostly aimed at black people and they had a anti-racist board. it was so uninviting.

Ilovemyself · 19/05/2013 17:50

Mmmmm. Interesting. I am a dad and I do find the fact that there is feminist section on here does make it a site that men do not find inviting.

I also think that Thecatfromjapan also shows the extreme views of some feminists. The way she refers to men that are "seething with rage" is not really conducive to equality - most of us men see women as equals and the feel of her post really has the feel of someone who dislikes men.

I share the parenting with my wife, and as I am unlucky enough to be out of work at the moment I am lucky enough to be able to do more of the parenting than I normally would.

I would love to be able to stay at home and be a full time parent, but one of us has to work and my wife's dream in life has always to been to be a full time mother.

arsenaltilidie · 18/05/2013 23:56

Site was created for mums by mums and evolved to to include men. It reflects the origins.
Just like the 'Men at Work' sign.

TheDoctrineOfSnatch · 18/05/2013 19:07

I see what you are saying flowery but to me it's a demonstration of how "mums" are loads of other things too - daughters, sisters, lawyers, royallists, caravaners etc etc

flowery · 18/05/2013 19:02

I don't think a place with lots of mums in is automatically mumsy in culture.

YoniTime · 18/05/2013 18:30

How is MN not mumsy? It's full of mums.

flowery · 18/05/2013 18:01

I think there is a point here actually. I'm not 100% comfortable with the name and I also think it's doesn't actually reflect the culture and activities of the site. It's not a mumsy place, and nor is it somewhere where people think it's ok to assume mums should do most of the parenting.

Too late, obviously, it's an established brand now, and it's not a big deal but it's a valid point to make.

I was at a conference last week and the woman who started Little Dish did a presentation. Wound me right up the way she kept talking about how their business was all about mums making choices about what to feed their kids, and they were there to help mums, mums this mums that. Arrrgggh! It's 2013! Dads feed kids too!

Anyway, that's only slightly relevant, sorry, but it annoyed me, and if my kids were younger, would put me off the brand enough not to buy from them as well...

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