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Leithlurker · 30/03/2013 19:18

Anti Bedroom Tax march and what one?

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Childrenofthestones · 01/04/2013 07:56

Thanks Leith, a very informative two pages.

Mandytm · 31/03/2013 23:28

Chibi I don't think anything productive will come of continuing this conversation - leithlurker is verging on trolling with this unfocused and aggressive attitude.

TheDoctrineOfSnatch · 31/03/2013 18:38

Leith, it's not unusual for very brief OPs that have uninformative titles and only ask a question without saying anything about the poster's position to not attract responses. Why should people put effort into responding when you barely put any into your OP?

chibi · 31/03/2013 18:09

it sure is interesting having a conversation with someone who asks questions and answers them themselves with 'nope don't bother'

with respect to what i am involved in, i am aware of how various social movements may intersect and impact on each other. i have a finite amount of time and energy, so i prioritise some and not others. as does everyone.

surely this isn't shocking?

also interesting that you want to frame this as who is the better feminist. if it makes you feel better, you are.

SatsukiKusukabe · 31/03/2013 18:08

odd thread. I didn't go to any. I don't live in the uj

Leithlurker · 31/03/2013 18:02

As it happens it does. Now is that not interesting, who does that make the better feminist you or me. Nope don't bother it is not about better or worse, not compition involved. It is about though knowing that being involved in any social movement is to be open to see how the issues of others impact on the issues you are interested in.

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chibi · 31/03/2013 17:55

i am aware of the issue, i was not aware of this demo, not the same thing, actually

i think i am best placed to decide what i want to feel invested in, and how it relates to my feminism (or not)

currently my feminism sees me involved in a lot of decolonisation work. does yours? if not why not?

Leithlurker · 31/03/2013 17:45

BTB, I am sure an anti cuts group or an anti bedroom tax group will be in your area, if you happen to be in Scotland they are plentiful. If you want to read up on the issue I would suggest this as a starter, and from there you can decide what you want to know more about. I would be happy to help you find more detailed links if need be.www.inclusionscotland.org/news/story.asp?id=3086

Chib how do you know what your feminism needs to be invested in if you are unaware of the issue?

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BitBewildered · 31/03/2013 17:28

No I didn't go on one. I am interested in the issue though.

chibi · 31/03/2013 17:14

meh.

i am put off discussing anything with someone whose agenda is clearly more activisty than thou.

you have causes dear to your heart. i do too. sometimes, they might be the same. other times, not. so it goes. don't get huffy and act like i pissed on christmas if i a)haven't heard of what you are talking about b) do not feel my feminism depends on being as invested as you are

Trills · 31/03/2013 16:35

If the aim is to get people who want to discuss the bedroom tax to click then perhaps saying that's what it is about would help.

No, I didn't.

EduCated · 31/03/2013 16:33

I've never heard of you

Leithlurker · 31/03/2013 16:29

I may well do Educated but I fear it would not matter as I got the reception I expected because I have a reputation apparently.

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Leithlurker · 31/03/2013 16:25

EduCated I hope my response to BTB answered some of your point's.

As it happens I posted in fwr and in other places. In fact I am quite active on a thread on this subject in "In the news". I posted here because, and I am not being snarky here either. The high level of political debate, also the lens of feminism has sometimes been slow to engage with mass movements preferring to pursue their own agenda. Which is absolutely fine, in many ways thats exactly the point of feminist, or disability activists. In this instance though I was hoping to start a broad discussion about the need for unity, as the welfare reforms are going to effect a large number of people and not one group of activists can hope to stand against them.

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Mandytm · 31/03/2013 16:23

...No, I didn't go on one.

EduCated · 31/03/2013 16:15

Can I suggest you put some of that stuff in your OP next time? That would have engaged me. But as I said, no I didn't. I didn't know there were any marches.

Leithlurker · 31/03/2013 16:11

Btb thank you for asking, unfortunately I could not go it was tyoo cold and the likelihood was that the cold would have set off a chain reaction causing me to be ill for the rest of the week, and I have lots to do this week.

I did however have many friends, a large number of whom self identify as feminists by the way who did go and who said it was a brilliant atmosphere with lots of families, kids, and a mix of ages. The local polis were expecting 200 but about a thousand turned up. So that was brilliant. (iI am in Edinburgh by the way but shhh don't tell anyone) The Glasgow event had 3000 which was fab, bit disappointed in the London one though as it seemed to be fairly small. But I know that many many marches took place and so whole communities were represented irrespective of politics. What about you, did you go what was your experience if you did?

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Leithlurker · 31/03/2013 16:04

Well at least Chibi you answered the question, and as highly intriguing as the title was not it only had to do one job and that was to get people to click on it. Oh and my inferences are both useless and pointless as the reception has proved all of my points for me. Or so you would expect me to say.

Which actually is a pity because I was sure that some on this board would be involved in the anti cuts movement, some would have gone on a march, some would have willingly said how being on a march with other people from all walks of life was both uplifting and positive.

We could have then spoken about how many of these marches are organised and run by trade unions which are predominantly white male led, and so on, which gives a very false image of those most effected.
My we could have had a pretty good discussion about how women are being disproportionately hit by the cuts, how women will be forced to stay in abusive relationships, how children will suffer, how services for homeless women will be ciut and even how womens roles as carers will be more devalued and increasingly seen as their job, but be punished for it.

We could I think have found many activities that as feminists, anti cuts campaigners, people with impairments, single parents, men could have supported each other in, in a bid to bring about the end of the patriarchy.

However my "inferences" that you seem perfectly certain I want to make, seem to prevent any conversation about those things.

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BitBewildered · 31/03/2013 16:03

I didn't see your thread until just now when it appeared towards the top of Active Convos.

So did you go on a march? How did it go? Did many people attend?

EduCated · 31/03/2013 15:56

Well, it wasn't a particularly engaging OP, was it? As pointed out, your title is one of one annoying cut off half way so I have to click and find out what you're talking about sort.

I did in fact click it the other day. I haven't been on a march, I didn't know any were happening, is this a national thing or are they isolated local ones? As I didn't go on one, I didn't answer.

Did you go on one OP? How was it? Why/what do you want to know? Are you thinking of going on one? Did you want to know what it was like?

Also I do think its an interesting question as to why you posted it in FWR? Do you think there's a particular relevance! (Im interested, btw, not being snarky)

kim147 · 31/03/2013 15:51

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perplexedpirate · 31/03/2013 15:48

Leith, a guy over the road has been revving his motorbike for the last 20 minutes and I'm trying to have an Easter nap.
Nip over and tell him to piss off, would you? You're clearly spoiling for a fight, so it'd be good to do something constructive at the same time. Smile

chibi · 31/03/2013 15:46

fine. i did not go on said march. i did not know there was one.

i hope this proves whatever you need it to prove, no doubt it will

enjoy your inferences!

chibi · 31/03/2013 15:44

your thread is called so who went on a.

as mercilessly enticing as that is, maybe it wasn't enough to provoke people into clicking

or maybe feminists are happy with the destruction of the welfare state, or whatever your premise happens to be.

Leithlurker · 31/03/2013 15:42

Chibli I want to know is that good enough for you?

You think I am being confrontational, as said to me by MNHQ a while back "Posters express themselves on fwr sometimes in a robust manner, that does not mean they are being inflammatory or rude"

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