Really proud of my 17 year old daughter

I never even noticed the swearing until others pointed it out.

You are right to be proud Nicholas.

And who listens to the ranty ones? The daughter in the OP doesn't even identify herself as one. It is possible to be passionate and coherent.

Oh please! Since when did anyone listen to a nice polite happy feminist?!

I was like her when I was 17. It'll get her nowhere unfortunately. Aggressive ranting will only serve to alienate her in the long run and I should know because it comes as naturally to me as going for a long piss.

What I have learned is that more wars are won through listening as well as talking and putting forward a consistent, rational argument in an articulate and calm way.

Otherwise you will be dismissed.

I think Nick you should praise her for her passion but you'll be doing her a BIG favour in tutoring her in the art of good debate. Otherwise her words will fall on ears that really don't care to listen. And what is the point of that?

Actually, that's a point, I wouldn't hugely appreciate it. But that is my distaste which is personal to me, it is not something I would project onto the naked person and say that they are wrong, deserving of harassment or 'asking for it', which is essentially where this conversation has come from.

I don't mind if people choose to walk around naked. I won't myself, at the moment. Has anyone noticed the weather? I'm freezing with 5 layers on. Does anyone remember the man who tried to walk naked from Land's End to John O'Groat? He talked about the difficulty of walking when it's very cold.

No, I don't want people to walk naked down the street. The thought of a pair of bollocks gently flapping in the breeze as I go about my day.

However I can recognise that this is because of the time and place in which I was raised. If this were 100 years ago, we'd probably be having the same discussion about shoulders or ankles as we are about breasts. This is why I took issue with the assertion upthread that certain body parts are intrinsically and naturally more private.

I care what people say not what words they use to say it. what your daughter's friends said (that a woman should expect harassment based on her wardrobe ) is fucking disgusting and I'd be ashamed if I were their parents,and potentially concerned if I were you. What your daughter said seemed wholly appropriate and the words of properly pissed of woman. And 17 is a woman and certainly old enough to speak her own mind in anyway she sees fit especially on FB. Honestly people, tell their 17year olds how to speak to their friends? No fucking wonder there are so many threads on mn about adult children who refuse to pay rent or leave home.

Many things we do are done because of social convention that doesn't mean they are wrong.

I'd rather no one walked naked in the street.

So are people in favour of discarding this social convention? Would most of us be in favour of people being allowed to wear no clothes in public, if they so wished?

But you only don't want to see them because of convention though. Imagine if ears were considered 'private parts' and you were horrified at someone flashing them in the street.

boobs are only private by social convention yes, so are cocks and vulva and arseholes and i dont want to see any of them while i'm in Aldi, nothing to do with feminism

OP I hope my daughter turns out like yours, language and all, she sounds terrific and I heart her

Snorting at 'do you know his name'. Oh the irony.

Did she receive any positive comments on FB, OP?

Excuse me? I'm not being 'silly' but objecting to the fact that your assumption that a Professor is male; your use of 'lady' without recognising its ideological impact while criticising the use of the word 'cunt' on similar lines; and your decision to describe my objections as 'silly' which if you took any notice of your 'feminism in literature' course, you would recognise as a classic strategy deployed against feminist objections by those who'd rather undermine the status of the speaker than address the substance of their argument. Which is why we're mostly politely ignoring your grammar etc.

how, just how, has this been turned into a thread about swearing...????

dear fucking lord

Sparklyboots stop being so silly

Oh, PS, not country, but highest rated Unis in the world. For info.

do you know his name yes, Sweetiepie1979 but it was a woman (dare I suggest another fuck up? Am sort of laughing, except that you're meant to be an educator). Germaine Greer in The Whole Woman. As a teacher in an all girls school, it's a bit of a shame you haven't taken any interest in it heretofore. And your dictionary definition says all you need to know about 'Lady,' doesn't it? Socially constructed female, defined by her class and gender relationships. Tres vulgar to suggest that it might be desirable to emmulate one, on a fem thread.

Well done to your DD from me Nick

I think that compared to the number of 17 year old girls that don't even recognise sexism, let alone challenge it, your girl is a shining star OP.
Yes, sometimes my DD swears when dealing with sexist or homophobic responses on fb. However one of the signs of maturity is to alter one's behaviour and language to the situation, which she also does.
Rather like MNetters who swear on threads and come up with surprisingly earthy comments, and yet somehow manage to cope with having jobs and raising children without continuous foul language.
So, your next task is to wonder why she doesn't see herself as a feminist.

Yes less than a ball park your right she's only 17. Sorry.