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figure skating outfits

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pinkyredrose · 17/03/2013 17:38

Am currently watching the figure skating on BBC2, all amazing so far so good.

But noticed that all the mens outfits cover them from neck to toe and all the women show legs, cleavage, shoulders and arms. Anyone know why this should be?

I did get my feminist hat on a little, it obviously can't be because some outfits hinder movement otherwise the men would surely have skimpy outfits on too?

Very interested to hear opinions.

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mabongwen · 17/03/2013 22:20

He can wear one, but professional figure skating is a job, you earn. So if your bank manager turned up in a shift dress and a pair of heels you wouldn't look twice? His choice he can do, they just don't.

Why do we all choose similar ones because skating like ballroom dancing has a fasion of its on. So things come and go, couple of years ago it was crystals now ita mesh panelling. Its a trend within a sport. Also skating dresses are a set shape to begin with, with a regulation standard skirt for safety reasons.

I think your all being a bunch of sour mouthed twits about this. Its like saying why are the majority of wedding gowns strapless? They just are. Now that Kate Middleton has set a trend for lace sleeves that's working its way in slowly, when a certain dress catches the eye of skaters it will become a trend slowly.

LRDtheFeministDragon · 17/03/2013 22:18

Ahh, thanks. Good for him. Smile

SecretNutellaFix · 17/03/2013 22:17

Philippe Candeloro- loved really flamboyant costumes or naked top half.

Trekkie · 17/03/2013 22:17

Well quite nutella, in my minds eye of a male figure skater, skin tight groinal leggings and no top / not really there top feature quite prominently.

I'm sure they aren't usually "covered up".

or maybe it's just my brain Grin

LRDtheFeministDragon · 17/03/2013 22:15

Those links don't work for me. Sad

SecretNutellaFix · 17/03/2013 22:11

Not always the case that it's just women who show flesh

LRDtheFeministDragon · 17/03/2013 22:08

It is a feminist point, mab. Most of us do get to choose our own clothes, right? But what's interesting is how we choose, because basically everyone's visual senses are conditioned by society, aren't they? If that weren't true, there'd be no such thing as fashion.

So, the interesting thing is, how come virtually all women just happen to choose very similar things? And virtually all men choose another different, very similar set of things?

If a man decided to wear a dress figure skating, what would happen? Would it be seen as an empowering choice, or would some people think it was a little odd?

LRDtheFeministDragon · 17/03/2013 22:06

It's funny, isn't it, what we think of as looking daft and what we don't? My mate teaches History of Art and says you always get classes saying that those Renaissance sculptures of naked men look ridiculous because men in sexy poses just look silly. But I am guessing that to Renaissance men and women who fancied men, that wasn't so.

If someone wishes to bring in figure skating men wearing fluttery fabrics, I won't say no.

mabongwen · 17/03/2013 22:05

I have no idea about vollyball or gymnastics, but the women have a lot of input in their dresses. My championship dresses cost hundreds of pounds some cost thousands. I wouldn't compete in a dress I didn't like it would effect my performance.

Men also wear some revealing costumes some appear topless but have the mesh on them. Attention is generally directed towards the female in a pair, she has more presentation than the man, and can up the presentation marks (note the costume has nothing to do with the score) however the more eye catching her costume you will look at her more.

Why don't men wear revealing costumes? Go on a night out, they don't dress flamboyantly or to draw attention to themselves. Female figure skaters do. Costume for the ladies is far more important than it is for the men, we like them sparkly and flashy. Men would happily skate in a pair of jeans and a tshirt if they could. For them they aren't fussed, and many pair skaters costumes are dictated by the female. What she wants and he has to fit in. He has no choice and asking as its not pink they don't really care much.

So if anything its the woman in charge of the costumes not the men, its hardly a feminist point, as the woman actually has all the power for a change.

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Trekkie · 17/03/2013 22:03

I haven't seen any figure skating recently but from what is in my brain certainly skimpily dressed men feature? Skin tight legging things and skin tight top or no top even.

FWIW I get much less worked up about this sort of thing if the primary objective isn't ogling - if it's dance or sport or athletics it offends me much less that just a random woman (never a man) in skimpy gear for no apparent reason eg women holding umberellas for motorcyclists, women in miniskirts walking out snooker players (when the fuck did that start anyway) and so on.

Also FWIW I am female and am more than happy to look at men's bodies. They are delicious. Anyone see the rugby yesterday? The idea that women's bodies are attractive and men's bodies are not - as a sort of fundamental rule - is just nonsense.

badguider · 17/03/2013 21:59

I think that the women in figure skating look good with their arms and legs on show and then a bit of fluttery fabric to catch the wind. It helps with the expression i think - that korean woman who won had beautiful expression in her arms and hands, so delicate..

The men look a bit daft to be honest but i'm not sure what would be better for them.... ?? leggings and a vest top perhaps? i don't know... it's tricky..

But in this case i wouldn't be arguing for the women covering up more.

pinkyredrose · 17/03/2013 21:58

LRD I hear you! Yes it's very telling that women end up in more revealing clothes than the men. It's that difference that I'm challenging, I can't get my head around it.

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LRDtheFeministDragon · 17/03/2013 21:54

Sorry, that was sarcastic of me but that did annoy me. Of course women get to choose to wear what they like. But the fact that women end up in more revealing clothes than men is telling, isn't it? And it does have an effect on how we as a society see differences between men and women.

pinkyredrose · 17/03/2013 21:53

mabongwen I see where you're coming from but I still haven't had a realistic answer as to why women show more flesh than men.

Can it really be homophobia? Is it that prevelant in the sport as to influence the outfits?

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LRDtheFeministDragon · 17/03/2013 21:53

You speak for every single figure skater, gymnast, volleyball player, and for all the men who look at them and conclude that all other women enjoy being ogled because 'otherwise they wouldn't wear short skirts love', do you, mab?

Crikey, that's clever of you. Hmm

mabongwen · 17/03/2013 21:36

You don't want ice burn that's why the flesh net is used on arms sometimes and if you want a strapless effect you use the tan mesh.

MrsMangoBiscuit · 17/03/2013 21:34

I always think the mens outfits are quite revealing too. I was going to say "at least for shape" but I know that the women's ones use tan fabric or netting, so neither show a lot of flesh.

mabongwen · 17/03/2013 21:30

As a figure skater for over 16 years ill tell you why, because we like the dresses and as we get older we like to wear slightly more revealing ones. Women can skate in a all in one catsuit now, but they chose not to. Its personal choice what your dress looks like fitting with the theme of the music, figure skaters have shorter skirts than dance skaters to avoid the blade snatching in the material during certain moves.

By being arsey at the dress your actually commenting more on the woman who chose it than the sport. We get to choose our dresses.

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Lessthanaballpark · 17/03/2013 21:25

What Pretzel said.

Why does anything that starts as a compliment for women (so hot, so full of empathy, so delicate, so good at multi-tasking) end up actually being quite shitty for them?

pinkyredrose · 17/03/2013 21:23

The thing I'm thinking about though is even if the womens outfits contain flesh coloured/American tan inserts it's still meant to look like flesh.

Why is it that the women show alot more 'flesh' than men? There's no technical nor artistic reason to do so as far as I can see.

Yes I do realise that in gymnastics, volleyball etc the women competitors show alot more flesh than the male competitors. I can't think of one real reason why this is so.

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PretzelTime · 17/03/2013 21:23

Another reason why men are more covered is because of homophobia. Yes there is homophobia even in the figure skating word, I was pretty Confused when I first heard that, I thought it was a more tolerant sport. With all the sparkle and elegant movements and such.
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jird · 17/03/2013 21:13

yeah men should ice skate in tight pants

kim147 · 17/03/2013 21:12

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