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So in the wake of a massive public spotlight on rape, the priority apparently is to protect the reputations of the tiny % of men falsely accused of rape

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FastidiaBlueberry · 17/02/2013 00:18

FFS FFS FFS

Is it very cynical of me to think that this new demand to enable anonymity for men accused of rape (most of whom are guilty, but get off anyway) is a psychological need to re-establish what is most important to these woman-haters?

Stop talking about the mountain of rape victims who never get justice and FGS start talking about the anthill of men who get falsely accused.

Enough of Steubenville, Delhi, Frances Andrade, Jimmy Savile's victims, the 1 in 4 women who are raped or sexually assaulted.

Let's get back to talking about the really important issues - the miniscule number of men who will be falsely accused of rape or who will be the victim of mistaken identity. Fools, don't you know they're more important than all those rape vicitms? That that's a much bigger issue? So what 25% of women are subjected to rape or sexual assault? So what if 85-90% of rape victims don't report? So what that of those who do, only 6% get a guilty verdict even though only between 2-6% are lying or mistaken? Let's get some perspective on this - men matter more than women, stop imagining they don't.

Fuming but off to bed.

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JoinLogin · 24/02/2013 11:21

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edam · 24/02/2013 11:21

Join, sadly for you there has been quite a lot of research done on prejudices about rape. The concept of 'rape myths' is established and defined based on a considerable amount of evidence. You don't get to turn up out of the blue and say, 'ooh, I've never heard of it so it must be rubbish' - you'll have to work a lot harder than that.

You might also want to take a look at the Talk guidelines. They make it clear that sexist posts can be deleted, just as racist, disablist and homophobic posts can be deleted. So do be careful out there.

OptimisticPessimist · 24/02/2013 11:21

And it is not biased to support women when not being believed is one of the primary factors for not reporting a rape. Statistically, if a woman says she was raped she is telling the truth. Men lie too you know, it's not as if they get nothing out of denying being a rapist is it Hmm

runningforthebusinheels · 24/02/2013 11:20

The real concern is that people like JoinLogin can sit on juries.

sisterhooduk · 24/02/2013 11:20

Doen't fix it the rapists still out there raping the little p s need to put their little P s away.

Got it JoinLogin

OptimisticPessimist · 24/02/2013 11:19

No, because it isn't true. It appears on the MN rape myth page here: www.mumsnet.com/campaigns/we-believe-you-campaign-rape-myths-busted with citations.

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MYTH: Women often lie about rape, and police officers and jurors should bear this in mind
REALITY: There is no research evidence that false allegations are more common than for many other crimes.
Home Office research indicates that between 3-8% of initial allegations are false, but that the lower figure is likely to be most accurate.(6)
Far from being widespread, malicious accusations are rare. A much greater problem in the criminal justice system is the under-reporting of rape - the government estimates that 89% of rapes are never reported to the police at all.(7)
In addition, only 5.3% of rapes reported to the police end in a conviction for rape - the lowest rate of any country in Europe, except for Ireland.(8)

JoinLogin · 24/02/2013 11:17

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JoinLogin · 24/02/2013 11:15

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blondieminx · 24/02/2013 11:13

We Believe You

I believe you

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sisterhooduk · 24/02/2013 11:06

How you you know they're innocent acquittal is "not proven" it's not he didn't do it.

blondieminx · 24/02/2013 11:05

Ah, I see the "give em enough rope and they will hang themselves" theory has worked beautifully!

MNHQ as joinlogin is posting such rubbish which runs contrary to the stated aims of We Believe You, please can you encourage him in some clever technical way to not darken our doors again? Thanks

OptimisticPessimist · 24/02/2013 11:05

MN can have whatever guidelines it likes - one of them is that we don't tolerate rape myths. If you don't like it go somewhere where misogyny is tolerated.

sisterhooduk · 24/02/2013 11:04

All those rapists who falsely claim to be falsely accused and walk scott free such as Kirk Reid who assaulted 70+ other women before being caught, Jon Worboys drove a black cab ideal front of a serial rapist, Ian Huntley. There is no consequence for them for lying about being a rapist. They get jailed for the rape not the perjury. (In the case of Huntley he was never once tried for rape or sex with under age girls despite many allegations) I suppose he was falsely accused too.

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blondieminx · 24/02/2013 10:58

joinlogin please read this which should help you understand why no-one here is interested in your opinions and why we will challenge them for the goady MRA nonsense they are.

Other forums may suit you better.

sisterhooduk · 24/02/2013 10:57

All this is solved if men just stopped raping how about it. In other words the little should keep their little *** zipped.

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blondieminx · 24/02/2013 10:48

Nice to see MNHQ deleting the goady and dreadful posts. Thanks

Other forums are available, using the FWR section of MN to post such utter rubbish can only be interpreted as fuckwittery.

JoinLogin · 24/02/2013 10:47

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CoalDustWoman · 24/02/2013 10:46

Not really. Victims are not believed for far more reasons than the existence of a minute number of truly false reports (rather than mistaken identity or no accused identified)

CoalDustWoman · 24/02/2013 10:42

I'm sure it's horrible to be in that situation. On balance, though, I'd rather improve the chances of catching serial rapists. Which most rapists are. I find it odd to take any other stance, tbh.

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