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So in the wake of a massive public spotlight on rape, the priority apparently is to protect the reputations of the tiny % of men falsely accused of rape

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FastidiaBlueberry · 17/02/2013 00:18

FFS FFS FFS

Is it very cynical of me to think that this new demand to enable anonymity for men accused of rape (most of whom are guilty, but get off anyway) is a psychological need to re-establish what is most important to these woman-haters?

Stop talking about the mountain of rape victims who never get justice and FGS start talking about the anthill of men who get falsely accused.

Enough of Steubenville, Delhi, Frances Andrade, Jimmy Savile's victims, the 1 in 4 women who are raped or sexually assaulted.

Let's get back to talking about the really important issues - the miniscule number of men who will be falsely accused of rape or who will be the victim of mistaken identity. Fools, don't you know they're more important than all those rape vicitms? That that's a much bigger issue? So what 25% of women are subjected to rape or sexual assault? So what if 85-90% of rape victims don't report? So what that of those who do, only 6% get a guilty verdict even though only between 2-6% are lying or mistaken? Let's get some perspective on this - men matter more than women, stop imagining they don't.

Fuming but off to bed.

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LojinJoin · 24/02/2013 21:08

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IlianaDupree · 24/02/2013 19:32

You hit the bulls eye there, Fastidia

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FastidiaBlueberry · 24/02/2013 16:54

Also has it occurred to MRA's that one of the reasons men attack other men, is when they believe that they won't get justice any other way.

Vigilantism is normal in a society where the rule of law has broken down.

Where rape is concerned, there is no rule of law. Men know that women don't get justice for rape.

So when they are violently inclined and the women they happen to care about get raped (and they believe her) they are more likely to exert their male violence on the men they believe are the perpetrators. If they knew there was a reasonable chance of the rapist being charged and found guilty, just as with any other crime, they wouldn't be so inclined to go in for vigilantism. There isn't a spate of men attacking men they think stole their cars, because they know there's a reasonable chance they'll get justice.

Start getting justice for rape victims and you will hopefully cut down on some of this violent male vigilantism.

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roughtyping · 24/02/2013 16:49

Chibi - that's an excellent point actually.

chibi · 24/02/2013 14:35

has it occurred to the average MRA to wonder just who is attacking and being violent to men accused of rape?

it isn't women.

i am sure there is a broader message about gendered violence here if one cares to look for it

blondieminx · 24/02/2013 14:17

Thanks Olivia Thanks

TheDoctrineOfSciAndNatureClub · 24/02/2013 12:30

Thanks Thanks

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OliviaKnowsBestMumsnet · 24/02/2013 12:26

Sorry for delay.
We're on the case now with the big red button.

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FastidiaBlueberry · 24/02/2013 12:11

OK one more thing before I grab the shower gel: most men who object to the "we believe you" campaign do so on the whole, because they have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo of society believing rapists not rape victims, even though women who allege rape are only about 3-5% ish likely to be lying while men accused of rape and denying it, are well over 90% likely to be lying.

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FastidiaBlueberry · 24/02/2013 12:08

Have you ever thought for a second why so many MRA's are considered (rightly) to be really vicious woman-haters?

Oh I can't be bothered to poke this one with a stick, am off for a shower.

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RedwingOnFire · 24/02/2013 12:00

Yes it is really "heartening" that innocent men commit suicide or are murdered or lose their jobs isn't it?

Shit! I temporarily forgot it was all about THE MEN!!! Dammit!

Why aren't you so wound up about the fact two men a WEEK go ahead and MURDER women they are or were in relationships with. Why doesn't that bother you?!?!

You're a woman hater aren't you?

TheDoctrineOfSciAndNatureClub · 24/02/2013 11:53

Have you come onto this website to try and persuade us that you are right? If so, why not answer the questions that have been asked of you?

Why don't you care about innocent rape victims (men and women) who lose their jobs or commit suicide? And if you care about those accused of rape who are murdered, how do you feel about the two women each week murdered by their partners?

IlianaDupree · 24/02/2013 11:53

The legal system research states high levels of false accusations are a myth.

Women who have legally been found to have been victims of rape through a court of law are still disbelieved by prejudice and ignorance spread by people who have a vested interest in insuring rapists walk free.

Why would rapists want their victims to be believed? Rape propaganda exists to give rapists the chance to rape and ensure they get away with it.

We believe you

I believe her

JoinLogin · 24/02/2013 11:35

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blondieminx · 24/02/2013 11:34

joinlogin if you feel that the campaign page is "meaningless and useless" and if nobody is agreeing with you then why, exactly, are you still here?

I'm off out now to see friends and family. Because I'm on good terms with them and we mutually enjoy each others company....Is there perhaps a reason why you have a lot of time to spend on your own on this site?

I would hate to work with someone who didn't understand a concept, despite having it explained to them several times. Just sayin'.

StewieGriffinsMom · 24/02/2013 11:33

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runningforthebusinheels · 24/02/2013 11:31

It's quite heartening to see how the I Believe You campaign really upsets the goady fuckers.

TheDoctrineOfSciAndNatureClub · 24/02/2013 11:31

Incidentally, men are raped too. What's your view on that JL/LJ?

sisterhooduk · 24/02/2013 11:29

One only has to watch the behaviour of men at football matches those on the pitch and those watching it to see this a gender out of control, feral. Note how the blame always rests with someone else the other side's supporters, the police, the weather, how long they had to queue to get in to the ground, they're team lost, they're team won blah de blah. Do they morph back into civilised human beings after this. Nope they're out they're raping women, children and other men and guess what it's never they're fault. Feral. The rapists and their apologists have attempted to create a smokescreen about rape the myth of the false accusation. In reality it is the rapist falsely claiming to be falsely accused.

TheDoctrineOfSciAndNatureClub · 24/02/2013 11:29

I see you have reversed your username. Were you banned?

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OptimisticPessimist · 24/02/2013 11:22

Once again, it's MN's site. They can have whatever rules they like. If you don't like their ethos and guidelines, feel free to go elsewhere where vile views like yours are more welcome.

RedwingOnFire · 24/02/2013 11:22

Spouting rubbish!

Educate yourself on how RARE false accusations are.

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