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So in the wake of a massive public spotlight on rape, the priority apparently is to protect the reputations of the tiny % of men falsely accused of rape

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FastidiaBlueberry · 17/02/2013 00:18

FFS FFS FFS

Is it very cynical of me to think that this new demand to enable anonymity for men accused of rape (most of whom are guilty, but get off anyway) is a psychological need to re-establish what is most important to these woman-haters?

Stop talking about the mountain of rape victims who never get justice and FGS start talking about the anthill of men who get falsely accused.

Enough of Steubenville, Delhi, Frances Andrade, Jimmy Savile's victims, the 1 in 4 women who are raped or sexually assaulted.

Let's get back to talking about the really important issues - the miniscule number of men who will be falsely accused of rape or who will be the victim of mistaken identity. Fools, don't you know they're more important than all those rape vicitms? That that's a much bigger issue? So what 25% of women are subjected to rape or sexual assault? So what if 85-90% of rape victims don't report? So what that of those who do, only 6% get a guilty verdict even though only between 2-6% are lying or mistaken? Let's get some perspective on this - men matter more than women, stop imagining they don't.

Fuming but off to bed.

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SigmundFraude · 17/02/2013 11:42

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Viviennemary · 17/02/2013 11:38

Well I'm afraid I do agree with the identities of men falsely accused of rape being protected. And whose fault is it that men are falsely accused of rape. Why no other person than the women who are accusing them. They are the ones you should blame. Not the system or the men in question.

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SigmundFraude · 17/02/2013 11:20

Why don't you, just for once, discuss the women who falsely report rape? Because if these individuals didn't falsely report, then it would'nt be an issue would it?

Isn't that an avenue you should be heading down? Because, I'm sorry, but the hideous attacks that men are subjected to (as Zippy illustrated) are more of a concern, frankly. It's very telling that not one person has expressed even the tiniest hint of sadness at the horrible death that an innocent man suffered.

Very, very poor. And a very big reason why feminists struggle to engage with the wider world.

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FastidiaBlueberry · 17/02/2013 09:46

Zippy that was a rhetorical thing btw, urging us all to talk about false allegations.

But thanks for demonstrating the usual eagerness of rape apologists to make sure the debate always centres round the tiny proportion of false allegations, rather than the actual major problem of rape.

You can always be relied upon can't you?

Let's see how many other posters come up with the crap about false allegations being the real problem shall we.

Sausagesandwich, do you think all people accused of all crimes should get anonymity?

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FastidiaBlueberry · 17/02/2013 09:42

Why aren't there calls for men who are accused of burglary, or fraud to get anonymity then?

Any accusation of any crime will be pretty disastrous for a man.

It is simply untrue to say that an untrue rape allegation is more disastrous for a man than any other type of untrue allegation of a crime.

Most people believe a man who has been accused of rape, who tells them that he's not guilty and that it was a big misunderstanding or the woman is malicious. They are far more ready to believe that a man accused of rape is innocent, than that a man accused of most other crimes are innocent. There is not a great big perception that most people accusing other people of burglary are liars the way there is about women who accuse men of rape, even though people who report burglary are statistically just as likely to be lying.

No, it comes down to the idea that women are the weaker vessel, unable to be trusted, morally incompetent and prone to lying. That is where this rape myth comes from.

I knew the rape apologists would be out in force on this thread.

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AThingInYourLife · 17/02/2013 08:56

But the only reason rape victims can't believed is because of all the ones who "cry rape" against an innocent man.

These women are the problem.

Not men.

Oh no.

AbigailAdams · 17/02/2013 08:50

I agree chibi. Despite the fact that they are far more likely to be victims of rape than ever accused of it (unless of course they are rapists! Then one or two accusations may be flung their way if they are "unlucky" enough to rape a woman who reports it).

I also think that there is an inherent belief that women lie. Again, despite the fact that it is the rapists doing the lying. Over and over again. All the time.

chibi · 17/02/2013 08:24

i think it is a fundamental lack of, or inability to empathise i think for most men (i want to believe that it is only a small % who are trying to reposition the issue as a poor old men one)

they can see themselves accused by someone, but not victimised by someone

sausagesandwich34 · 17/02/2013 08:19

In this country it's innocent until proven guilty

Unfortunately many people in this country see an accusation as guilt and will persecute that person -we all know hate mobs exist and it's not only the accused that suffer -its their family too

And yes false accusations take place -that for me is a bigger issue as to why people don't report

I fully understand that the victim is suffering but as a large proportion of victims know their attacker doesn't the public flogging also out the victim? Bang goes their right for anonymity!

AbigailAdams · 17/02/2013 08:09

And it is about eroding women's rights. Just in case women got the idea that men give them back their rights out of the goodness of their heart and we don't have to continually fight to maintain the status quo.

Basically they want to continue using violence against us but without us knowing who they are. And if they get this it won't stop there. They'll want anonymity for DV cases, child rape and paedophilia etc etc.

AbigailAdams · 17/02/2013 07:46

Fastidia it is all about focusing on men and their "issues" again, rather than their appalling and violent behaviour. It is avoiding naming the problem, male violence and turning it round to blaming women, again. The patriarchy are excellent at moving the focus of attention away from men's behaviour.

Zippy1111 · 17/02/2013 01:26

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