OAP home allows residents to book sex workers

Dr Jenkins' work.

Justa, lots of people have few choices. I guess most people don't feel too great working for legal loan sharks either, at least an independent escort earns a damn sight more.

JustAHolyFool

Sorry, I've obviously been a bit opaque.

JuliaScurr said This emphasis on 'choice' ignores reality

I thought reality is what is on the ground, that we experience. Prostitution is legal, and presumably someone can make a choice?

So when I asked:
When does someone have the right to decide what they choose to do and when not?

Can I give away a kidney?
Can I sell a kidney?
Can I have sex with another man because he wants me?
Can I take money off him for that if he's happy to pay me?

I was asking what I could choose to do?
Here, I can't sell bone marrow; in the US (where prostitution is generally illegal) I could.
In the Philippines, up to a few years back I could sell a kidney.

I can choose to sell myself for money; why shouldn't others be allowed that choice?

I don't understand your post, OneMoreChap . There is a vast difference between sperm and kidneys, for starters. And there's a vast difference between paying for sperm and donating sperm.

OldLady what do you mean by choice? Is it a choice when the woman has no qualifications, 3 children with no support from the father and no family to support her? I don't call that a choice, to be honest.

JustAHolyFool

Excellent: for body tissue then how about?
Blood
Hair
Eggs
Sperm
Bone Marrow

What can I do with other men for pleasure or profit?

Reasearch done recently by Suzanne Jenkins very strongly suggests that most prostitutes working in Britain are indeed doing so through choice.

Well, no you can't sell a kidney. Obviously. It's illegal in every country in the world (bar Iran, and I don't know if we should be taking advice on our legal system from them.)

We do not live in a world where men and women are equal. Most people are not prostitutes through choice and how anyone can use their services knowing this really baffles me.

JuliaScurr

This emphasis on 'choice' ignores reality

How do you address the agency question?
When does someone have the right to decide what they choose to do and when not?

Can I give away a kidney?
Can I sell a kidney?
Can I have sex with another man because he wants me?
Can I take money off him for that if he's happy to pay me?

I am on placement in an over 65s care management team. We would do a mental capacity assessment. Capacity is dependent on a specific time for a specific reason, someone who doesn't have capacity to make decisions about one aspect of their life may well have capacity in another area. If deemed to have capacity and not against the home policy then it is their decision. It is their home, their right, we are not there to dictate to them, they are adults.

anntagonist.wordpress.com/2013/01/30/rape-is-a-human-right/

If there is a human right to useh prostiturtes, there must logically be anobligation to be one.
This emphasis on 'choice' ignores reality

Completely legal in this case, doesn't make it's morally right though but at the same time these are these people's homes and they should be able to do the same as they could if they were renting a house.

However if these men are sexually harassing the staff, I would worry that these women that are being hired aren't being treated right, I cannot see someone doing the job because they like it willingly being treated badly.

It's legal, at the moment.

I'd be more concerned about my dad/mum being denied the right to spend their money on something they wanted to than by someone else's moral position.

A clear line of departure needs drawn between those who are wilfully abusing staff members of either sex, and those particularly older people with forms of dementia that produce aggressive sexualised behaviour. The dementia causes the behaviour even in people who can still have periods of being time and place oriented. Or "compos mentis"

It might also be a result of unsafe working practises in residential establishments where both staff and patience are forced in to situations which are only barely legal in terms of health and safety but leave both groups open to abuse.

I've been groped plenty of times over the 10 years I worked in nursing homes, however it was never by the compos mentis residents.

Same with the male carers, it's not something just the male patients do

I was just watching a discussion of this on The Wright Stuff.

Obviously, its prefectly legal to pay for sex and I guess in theory if someone is housebound and unable to doesn't have a partner then its an option. Yes, we all have needs but its not the same as having the right to sex.

However, I don't have a problem with a person paying a willing(I will say that loosely)prostitute to have sex with them. What is a totally different topic though are those who say there are men so frustrated that they are groping staff.they have no self control.

In actual fact, these men are abusing staff! Its not a natural outlet to maul a stranger because you fancy a shag. Plenty of people go all their lives with no or little sex and they don't die. And what about women? Do they suffer quietly because as we all know their sex drive isn't as strong.

I don't have an issue with it, its a private matter if a person wants to pay for sex and someone else wants to offer it for sale. I would imagine the payment comes from their own money too and I don't see why they should be prevented doing something they could do in their own home just because they are in a care home. Its not a prison.

I'm not saying they have a "right" to have sex, btw, but they have the "right" to invite whatever visitors they want.

As I said, it's a bit of a bugbear with me, sorry. But yes, absolutely, residential care is that person's home, and they absolutely have the right to decide what they do in it.

Um, too many "absolutely"s there, but you get the idea.

Sorry, know the theory (never had to act on it thankfully!) but not the terminology :)

It could, and imo should, be argued that a residential care home is the person's home - why should they have fewer rights just because they have physical or learning support needs?

That would not be soliciting. Soliciting is streetwork, attempting to attract custom in public. (NB, advertising on tinterwebz is not soliciting.) It's a public nuisance type of offense.

The staff member making the arrangement could be in trouble, but only if s/he both controls and profits from the prostitute, though I suspect that their conditions of employment might say otherwise.

What consenting adults do in the privacy of their own homes, is up to them.

Afaik it's only illegal to solicit - ie if a staff member makes the arrangement and/or hands over the money. The visitors a mentally competent adult has to their home, and what they choose to do in private, is not up to the staff to decide

It worries me that so many people who are keen to discuss paid sex, actually know so little about the law surrounding it. Calling for "decriminalising" it, when it's not actually a criminal offense really bugs me.

I'm not including you in that group, Booyhoo, because I have no idea how you feel about the general topic, but I see it time and time again, and it drives me nuts...