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Been out. It's not pretty out there. My feminist views are challenged tonight.

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dummad · 27/01/2013 01:22

Hello, just a quickie coz I'm a bit drunk.

I've been out tonight in a bar in town - a trendy bar. Getting to the point, I'm disappointed ladies. I'm disappointed in what I've seen. Why do young women stand around dressed up like a dog's dinners looking bored out of their minds out of choice? I'm trying very hard not to think it, but I'm on the slippery slope of thinking women don't help themselves be taken seriously when they portray themselves the way they do. I know it's about choice and whatnot, but why CHOOSE to look like little fuck toys if you don't have to? Sorry. I just find it difficult to fly the feminist flag after what I've seen tonight. It's like young women don't give a flying toss about being empowered. They all look the same - tarty, vacuous and vacant. ALL of them. Hundreds of them. There wasn't one young lady in the place tonight without a horrendously short skirt on and killer heals. One group got out of the taxi and had garters tattood around her upper thigh. The men in the queue outside hardly batted an eyelid but one was there making sort of animal gestures to them like he was in a zoo. Maybe that's the sort of reaction these girls wanted.

In the bar guys couldn't even be bothered to approach the women by the looks of it. For two hours we were in there and I didn't see any notable, interaction between the sexes. Of course you'll never get a guy complaining about the way the girls look - they just lap it all up from a distance - it's all just laid out for them and saves the entry fee into the local lap dancing club I guess. They don't give a shit. Sluttier the better in their view. Why the hell don't women today backlash against it? I'd understand if it were a few of them like that but it was all of them. I'm sure they're intelligent, well bought up girls as well. So can't blame it on ignorance/ upbringing or whatever. They are a fucking disgrace.

You know what - I want you to put me right. I want you to tell me I'm wrong and there is hope and that women are aspiring for empowerment and campaign that they are respected as equals. It's up to them isn't it? They are the next generation after all. Don't they honestly care about their place in society? Don't they want to improve things like misrepresentation in the media and violence against women and lower wages etc? Don't they want to be taken seriously? Is this what has happened when women are contented? Is this what we choose to be by default? If so, it's no wonder men look down on us.

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SplitHeadGirl · 27/01/2013 21:05

Maybe the men aren't even judging the women. Some of the women on this thread seem to think that all men are as judgy as they are. And even if men do judge....really, so what?? I don't get it? Who gives a shit.

JustAHolyFool · 27/01/2013 21:02

Er...what?

SaskiaRembrandtVampireHunter · 27/01/2013 21:02

Bind Oh well, if you're fine with that, keep it up.

Redbindy · 27/01/2013 20:59

Just* if you realise people judge and don't give a shite, what is the point of this thread?
Saskia- your point is?

Modularita · 27/01/2013 20:52

Trendy bar = sample bias?

Booyhoo · 27/01/2013 20:51

ah so you do realise. it's just, you seemed as if you were trying to be all cryptic and knowing.

SaskiaRembrandtVampireHunter · 27/01/2013 20:50

"OP stated the bleeding obvious, I was just joining in"

You joined in stating the bleeding obvious? Confused

Redbindy · 27/01/2013 20:45

Booyhoo, OP stated the bleeding obvious, I was just joining in.

JustAHolyFool · 27/01/2013 20:44

Redbindy, we realise people judge.

We just couldn't give a shite.

TheDoctrineOfSciAndNatureClub · 27/01/2013 20:40
LurcioLovesFrankie · 27/01/2013 20:40

Was hoping for womanly curves, Mitchy. Do you think this may be the wrong strategy to snag myself a rich hubby (together with a wonderfully supportive MIL)? Maybe if I wear the pink stripy socks Dniece gave me for Christmas, my luck may change.

Booyhoo · 27/01/2013 20:35

redbindy are you really so naive to believe you are stating anything other than the obvious?

SaskiaRembrandtVampireHunter · 27/01/2013 20:33
SaskiaRembrandtVampireHunter · 27/01/2013 20:32

Bind are you really so naive to believe I care? The thing about judgy people, is that they're umm, arseholes, so why would anyone care what they think? Are you in the habit of listening to the opinions of nasty minded people?

TheDoctrineOfSciAndNatureClub · 27/01/2013 20:29

I haven't had any dinner.

DH wants to eat chocolate fondue for dinner. All those in favour, raise a sock-clad hand.

Redbindy · 27/01/2013 20:27

Justaholyfool - I am really worried.
Sask* are you really so naive to believe that other women do not look at the way you dress and form opinions based on that?

SplitHeadGirl · 27/01/2013 20:23

This thread is truly bizarre. In a funny way. All these people accusing women of being 'mean' and 'horrid', when they are making perfectly valid points about women dressing for themselves and doing what they want to do.

A guy at my work show his bum crack every single day in a pair of low slung jeans, but funnily enough I have never heard a single derogatory word spoken about him or people judging his character because of it. If I did, I would think the problem lay firmly with the judgemental one...and I would be right.

SaskiaRembrandtVampireHunter · 27/01/2013 20:14

I see Redbindy, very interesting. Do tell us more ...

JustAHolyFool · 27/01/2013 20:09

Redbindy, men, women, children, cats, dogs. Judge on and I shall cast you out of my life as a worthless nobody.

SaskiaRembrandtVampireHunter · 27/01/2013 20:06

A ratboy? You lucky caaw, all I've got is a muckscrubber. How's a muckscrubber going to earn enough to keep me in elegant clothes?

Redbindy · 27/01/2013 20:06

Justaholyfool - It' not just men who will judge you on the way you dress.

AbigailAdams · 27/01/2013 20:04

LineRunner we need career guys though, because we can't have our own careers you know, being women and all!

LineRunner · 27/01/2013 20:01

A career guy? Yes how jealous we are, because feminists normally have to settle for unemployed ratboys.

Mitchy1nge · 27/01/2013 19:59

bit reckless eating twice in one day lurcio? Aren't you worried about filling your ladylike clothes a bit too well?

Mitchy1nge · 27/01/2013 19:56

it's true actually

I wish a dentist thought I was elegantly dressed :(

oh do Norwegian dentists count?