Raising Sons

The OP wants some ideas beyond the obvious. Good values and love are a given, that's a bit like saying she should give him some food occasionally, that's a good idea as well. I'm not dissing good values and love, like food, they're a basic, but I don't think OP needs to start a thread on MN to get that and tbh I kind of assume she's doing that already.

is that your best put down.how very lame
anyhow I think op is actually getting too socialsciencetastic about this.
if she raises her son with good values,and love he'll be fine man.no book required

Sorry, you want me to be not dismissive of them?

You want me to agree with them?

But your views aren't lively.

you may be aware other views permissible,but are dismissive of them
now I see you're trying to dismiss this as my personal obsession.not so
think you'll find I mirroring mnhq stance,lively topic,all views welcome

You keep on telling me I'll meet posters whose views are divergent with my own SM.

I'm aware of that.

As I say, you seem obsessed.

For the record SM, underthinkers is anyone who has the fucking brass-neck to tell a poster asking for support, that she's over-thinking things.

I think that 's a shitty thing to do and totally against the ethos of mumsnet. If someone wants support on something I think is stupid, I just ignore the thread, I don't go on there and tell her she's over-thinking it and should just get on with it. That's a horrible thing to do and it pisses me off that people think it's OK to do it to women asking about parenting on the feminism boards, but they wouldn't think it was OK to do it on any other boards. It's just horrible.

I too am interested in feminist discussion on mn
unlike you I don't call people underthinkers if their opinion differ from mine
and you need to expect divergent koi io son mn.it's not feminist forum so you will encounter views you are not necessarily interested in.that's the rub

There are right answers. I don't know who has them but it's idiotic to pretend there are no right answers in the world.

There are. Your children must know this, even if you never tried to teach them.

LOL, I'm not preoccupied with whether you're feminist "enough" or not sm, it's of no interest at all to me.

I am interested in feminist ideas though, I don't think it's totally unreasonable to look for some in the feminist section. Won't be starting a thread abut it in AIBU though.

"the likely socioecomoc educational outcomes of a white mc female exceeds that of a poor bme male."

But you're not comparing like with like.

To have a gauge of whether all things are equal regarding gender, you need to compare a white mc female with a white mc male and a poor bme male with a poor bme female.

We've had this very basic not very hard to over-think concept discussed over and over again. You know this SM.

I have always felt immensely privileged to be a woman.

I am just thoroughly glad that I am not male.

fastidia you seem preoccupied it's not feminist enough and underthinkers are spoiling it
presumably "underthinkers" is anyone having temerity to disagree with you
if someone rocked up else were on mn telling others how to post,or expectation of content yes I'd contest that too

Exoticfruits, I'm never quite sure if you genuinely don't understand what people are saying or just pretending not to understand.

Where did anyone say drown boys at birth or subject them to prosy preaching from the moment they were born? Where did anyone say that only men are part of the patriarchy? Where did anyone say that leading by example was a bad idea?

It's actually impossible to have a sensible discussion with someone who doesn't appear to be following what has been said.

There is nothing wrong with saying raise your children and lead by example, thats what we should all do but we dont raise our children in a bubble! There are lots if other influences from society, the media, friends, school, peer groups etc and technology and the information available via it can also have an impact.

Sharing thoughts and ideas on how we deal with these things andcwhat helps/works etc is part if what mnet is good at.

No - but we can disagree with you Fastidia.Any views are just as valid.There are no 'right' answers, merely opinions.

op do you think your do and son are privileged in comparison to women?
or can they both change and modify their behaviors?are girls destined to remain under privileged?
the likely socioecomoc educational outcomes of a white mc female exceeds that of a poor bme male. not all males are automatically privileged,you need factor in class, parent demographics,socioeconomics factors

ooh yes that's prob true LRD.

SM you seem slightly obsessed with all views being welcome here. Does that mean I have to agree with every single under-thought-out view I read on the feminism section? Am I allowed to disagree? What about in AIBU? Are we allowed to disagree with each other there?

What on earth is wrong with saying live your life by example? I really don't know what men have to do- regardless of how they live their life, their opinions etc, they are 'the patriarchy'. Drown them at birth and have done with it!

Mine are now adults and the way that I have brought them up has worked without lots of prosy preaching from me- enough to irritate even the best natured of people!

Mmm. I think Gallifrey had a patriarchy too, TBH.

this is a topic about feminism,not a feminist forum.all views welcome
I wouldn't advise anyone to buy a book about raising boys or girls.unnecessary
nor would I start from premise that boy is privileged. some are,some are not