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Is the term 'Angry Fucking' potentially offensive to some women?

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Ohsiena · 31/10/2012 12:25

Ok I said I wouldn't start this, but I've been challenged to do so enough times, so I'm giving in.

It's about this thread - To think you should stay out of other people's bedrooms (378 Posts) 1This thread.

A very few of us understood why the term angry fucking was offensive to MrsC originally.

Most thought she had no sense of humour and just didn't get the joke.

Discussion was widened as a poster thught it was worse as used by a man. This has been attacked as sexist.

I stated on there that I'd like to see what some of the more feminist minded posters would make of this discussion.

I didn't want to start this, I've felt like a bit of a lone voice on there at times and need to do some RL stuff, but I've been called again and again to do so, so I have.

You'll see the phrase pearl clutching a lot....

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SHRIIIEEEKPoolingBearBlood · 31/10/2012 15:54

It is the term I'm mildly offended by. I don't actually care who said it, since everyone else thinks its no big deal.

InSPsFanjoNoOneHearsYouScream · 31/10/2012 15:52

I think its the fact he is a male that is the problem as i have been raped also and in a bad relationship yet i find jokes like thise funny. If I was going to offended by a joke I would be no matter the sex.

My arguement was that people think men cant joke about anything remotely sexual as they are all obviously sexual predators which is not the case at all.

PeggyCarter · 31/10/2012 15:45

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SnowWide · 31/10/2012 15:41

Punchline, not tagline.... Gaah! Been watching too many movies....

SnowWide · 31/10/2012 15:39

pickled thats exactly what I meant. Using a racially sensitive word is never ok, even in the context of a harmless joke.

Using language suggestive of violence is ALSO not okay, even if its a joke about the Hulk. Most women wont give this a second thought, but I dont think a joke with angry fucking as the tagline will go down well in a place like Refuge, for example...

ScrambledSmegsEvilTwin · 31/10/2012 15:39

Haven't read any at all

PickledFanjoCat · 31/10/2012 15:37

I heard that. Read ten pages and it made me angry and bored!

ScrambledSmegsEvilTwin · 31/10/2012 15:35

Actually PoolingBear, you're right. 50 shades was originally a very dodgy piece of fanfic based on Twilight. When people on the Twilight fans websites objected to the content she changed the names and removed all vampire references.

InSPsFanjoNoOneHearsYouScream · 31/10/2012 15:33

Aren't they all the same? Grin

Racist jokes are nothing like someone saying angry fucking in the context of a green man

SHRIIIEEEKPoolingBearBlood · 31/10/2012 15:31

50 shades wasn't vampires, I'm getting it confused with twilight

InSPsFanjoNoOneHearsYouScream · 31/10/2012 15:29

Oh I see. Glad I have no idea what they are Grin

PickledFanjoCat · 31/10/2012 15:28

Snow wide green sex?

That's a new one on me.

I don't agree with you regarding the word paki. There is no context ever in which that could be acceptable surely? Not even a sniff of ambiguity.

SHRIIIEEEKPoolingBearBlood · 31/10/2012 15:26

Sp 50 shades of the 80s, without the vampires and with making love instead of fucking

AnEerieAirOfHorror · 31/10/2012 15:25

Mills and boom are a serise of "Romance" novels that are very flowers and lame!

SnowWide · 31/10/2012 15:22

Im another one who winces at the word fucking. Just because its ubiquitous doesn't mean its right... I did read the original thread and yes, the phrase 'angry fucking' was very jarring. Other posters kept arguing it was to be taken in context of the angry Hulk and hence a harmless joke. But in my mind, it was like this...

Hey did you hear the joke about the Paki and the chicken?
What?!! Thats offensive..
No, no its very funny and its about the chicken actually...

If he wanted to talk about the Hulk, the green sex would have been funny. (My friend has had it; threw up right after an orgasm Grin ) Glowering sex, 10 foot high sex, Incredible Intercourse...

Angry fucking wasnt even funny...

InSPsFanjoNoOneHearsYouScream · 31/10/2012 15:20

Can I just ask what's mills and boon?

ScrambledSmegsEvilTwin · 31/10/2012 15:08

I don't like the word but I don't think it's always aggressive. Or even usually.

I'd really rather it hadn't gone into such common usage though, people seem quite happy to use it in front of young children these days - but it's okay, because they're not using the word at the children Hmm

SHRIIIEEEKPoolingBearBlood · 31/10/2012 15:04

But I'm happy with that.

SHRIIIEEEKPoolingBearBlood · 31/10/2012 15:03

Fair enough. Probably I'm hopelessly old fashioned and pearl clutchey then in thinking that fuck in general is a nasty, aggressive word. I'm sure there are exceptions but that is what I consider it to fundamentally refer to.

PickledFanjoCat · 31/10/2012 14:52

PS I swear in front of my mother, but never my child. I dont know anyone that does when they are young certainly.

We all try to keep them non potty mouthed as long as possible I imagine.

PickledFanjoCat · 31/10/2012 14:51

Polar - I think fuck has long since stopped being shocking, its such a part of everyday language now its lost its potency.

Even cunt, its used liberally on here.

I think thats why the youngsters are getting ever more inventive with their bad language.

I have a mates dad who is a lovely cuddly farmer and he says fuck every other word.

Do you want a cup of fucking tea? fucking milk? fucking sugar? fucking nippy out isnt it? Its not aggressive in that context.

PeggyCarter · 31/10/2012 14:48

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PickledFanjoCat · 31/10/2012 14:48

OK fair enough. We all have different words that make us really itch. I cant stand the word "pussy" oh it makes me heave.

But say the joke was about CatWoman and a sex toy and a joke about a pussy, I could sort of see the link there, and think well I might not like this word but it might not be said in a misogynistic aggressive way.

If you see what I mean?

Im not at all slating you or saying you need pearls if you dont find this funny at all, but there was a lot of goading going on yesterday, and sadly I think the issue was not the joke but the poster to be honest.

I used Spiderman and Webby Fucking yesterday, I am running out now!

SHRIIIEEEKPoolingBearBlood · 31/10/2012 14:45

Pickled do you not think the word fuck is used to add aggressive emphasis? Do you not think "dead fucking right" is different from "dead right"? With the fucking being a strong, aggressive, usually shocking word that has been added for shock value? Would you tell your mother or child they were dead fucking right?

SHRIIIEEEKPoolingBearBlood · 31/10/2012 14:43

Pickled I do believe others use it without so much of a hint of violence or aggression to the other person. Sorry if I've implied otherwise. I haven't deliberately ignored anyone. However I believe that fuck is by nature an aggressive word, and that people who use it non aggressively are doing it in a somewhat ironic way. Just my opinion. I believe that others do not agree.

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