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Is the term 'Angry Fucking' potentially offensive to some women?

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Ohsiena · 31/10/2012 12:25

Ok I said I wouldn't start this, but I've been challenged to do so enough times, so I'm giving in.

It's about this thread - To think you should stay out of other people's bedrooms (378 Posts) 1This thread.

A very few of us understood why the term angry fucking was offensive to MrsC originally.

Most thought she had no sense of humour and just didn't get the joke.

Discussion was widened as a poster thught it was worse as used by a man. This has been attacked as sexist.

I stated on there that I'd like to see what some of the more feminist minded posters would make of this discussion.

I didn't want to start this, I've felt like a bit of a lone voice on there at times and need to do some RL stuff, but I've been called again and again to do so, so I have.

You'll see the phrase pearl clutching a lot....

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HalloweenNameChange · 01/11/2012 02:35

Um, late to this but fwiw.. No, angry fucking shouldn't be offensive.

Fucking is a crude word for sex, sex is consensual. Rape is not consensual.

If the person who was offended based on her past says it was because she was on the receiving end of angry fucking.. she was raped. Two totally different things. Either she wanted to do it do she shouldn't be offended, or she was raped and the fact the her attacker was angry isn't really important, he would have done it either way. I'm probably not saying that well. Hope you can figure out what I am trying to say. .

I don't mean to be unkind I feel for the poster. But she seems to be confusing the two things. I say fucking and quite enjoy a bit of angry fucking but it's because I am in control and in no way of being coersed

Flatbread · 01/11/2012 01:06

Hoiked

Flatbread · 01/11/2012 01:06

And somewhere on the thread there was a reference to 'double teaming' or something similar. I hooked my judgey pants at that too.

And yes, a man making those comments is more offensive, not least because I conjure an image of him doing the deed...be it angry fucking or double teaming or whatever the term was. All seemed a bit degrading, somewhat aggressive and definitely unnecessary

SolidGoldYESBROKEMYSPACEBAR · 01/11/2012 01:04

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Flatbread · 01/11/2012 01:00

I found the term unnecessary and distasteful. It was a bit aggressive...enough for me to look at the poster name.

What was more awful, though, was the chorus of dismissive comments to the posters who said they were uncomfortable with the term.

KoPo · 31/10/2012 20:08

I think putting words in other peoples mouths was the whole point of this thread. It seems to be an attempt to get as many feminists as possible to fight the op's corner.

Cant say as im impressed with someone trying to manipulate me into doing their bidding but im not gonna fret over it. the word fucking dosent offend me either in general use or in relation to sex. (sometimes I want to make love, other times I want sex and sometimes .... shock horror I like to fuck)

SHRIIIEEEKPoolingBearBlood · 31/10/2012 18:29

lot of putting words in other people's mouths here...

ginhaghasaheadinherbag · 31/10/2012 18:23
vixcyn · 31/10/2012 18:11

Of course, to be fair, could have said girl scouts....have no wish to get flamed for THAT mistake..

vixcyn · 31/10/2012 18:09

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TantrumsIsTheREALPumpkinKiller · 31/10/2012 18:06

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TantrumsIsTheREALPumpkinKiller · 31/10/2012 18:06

Grin at racialist.

It's good to see some actual, reasonable views coming to the thread now, to counter all the "most sexual predators are men and should not be allowed on mumsnet in case they accidentally offend anyone"

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SolidGoldYESBROKEMYSPACEBAR · 31/10/2012 17:59

TO a great many people, the word 'fucking' when used specifically to refer to sexual penetration (trying to be inclusive here, penetration could be of a male or of a female, with a penis, a strap on, or a vegetable for all I care) is not offensive, scary or revolting. If you find it a distressing word, it's fine to communicate this to anyone you might be having sex with. However, you don't get to imply to other people that their choice of a word to describe a sexual activity means they are involved in a violent relationship or are themselves sexually violent.

That just makes you sound like the sort of prat who overhears a waiter saying 'Black or white coffee' and starts screaming that the waiter Must Be a RACIALIST, WAAAAAAAH!

ginhaghasaheadinherbag · 31/10/2012 17:52

Checked the thread mentioned and it didn't offend me in the slightest. Would prob have been Shock if someone said it to my children, but as far as I know they are not on MN.

There seems to be a lot of anguished hand-wringing all over the place at the moment.

PickledFanjoCat · 31/10/2012 17:39

No skim! Grin

EdsRedeemingQualities · 31/10/2012 17:38

'My arguement was that people think men cant joke about anything remotely sexual as they are all obviously sexual predators which is not the case at all. '

Is that what the problem was?

Christ, I certainly don't think that at all.

But like someone said, (I think?) if a joke was being made involving use of the word 'Nigger' among black people, it would be quite different to it being made by a white person in the middle of a room full of black people.

Not that I know if 'Nigger' is acceptable to use among black people but I have heard it is.

It's certainly not acceptable to use among white people.

This is what I think I mean.

Skimty · 31/10/2012 17:36

So long as you're not a man WinkGrin

PickledFanjoCat · 31/10/2012 17:29

I don't know what I am. Grin

Skimty · 31/10/2012 17:26

Oh I am a feminist but I never post on the boards (I think that's possible) so it isn't an official point of view Grin

TantrumsIsTheREALPumpkinKiller · 31/10/2012 17:25

It was designed to start an argument.

Thankfully it failed.

PickledFanjoCat · 31/10/2012 17:21

Skim to be honest I think there was a load of twisting going on to involve people from the feminist board.

I'm really pleased it didn't happen, it was almost like let's summon the flying monkeys.

I did say if I was a mn feminist poster I would be offended.

And it's really good to see on the whole this thread is not really turning into the bun fight it could have. It was a goady one.

Skimty · 31/10/2012 17:17

I'm mainly offended that someone (can't be arsed to remember who) suggested getting in the feminist essentially to tell us all what to think. Offended on behalf of 'the feminists' that is who have a bad enough press on mn as it is.

SnowWide · 31/10/2012 17:07

Oh I thought I did mention the green sex (I think you might have to trawl thru pages of righteous indignation to go back to my original mention!!)

A friend upchucked all over new man after getting down and dirty with him. Hence green sex, as in "green around the gills" or looking ill. She did have acold, so what she brought up was literally green!! Grin

ISeeDeadFairies · 31/10/2012 16:56
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