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jiveturkey · 21/10/2012 00:12

why are good loving fathers not given equal rights, why are we forced to spend thousands and go through lengthy court battles for the right to be a father to our own children all because the mother is so selfish and self centered that she can decide to do this with no regard for her childs happiness and future well-being just because she can out of spite and nastiness towards her ex partner. Many thousands of men have not been allowed to see or speak to their children for weeks or years and many simply cannot afford to continue their legal pursuit and are forced to give up for this exact reason. And yet these women have the audacity to call them themselves mothers, its laughable they are barely human beings.
Fathers are EQUALY important as mothers yet the law and some women's attitudes do not seem to reflect this. I know of a man who did everything he could to be part of his childs life, paid 36,000 in csa payments and was forced to have little contact with that child,then 10 years after she was born, rumours came out that that child wasnt his, a dna test confirmed this! Her motive? GREED, it is an all to common story, so many "mums" do not even consider how keeping their childs father out of their lives affects them in the the short and long term without even mentioning its moraly wrong. Any mum who takes there children away from there dad. doesn't deserve the bloody title! OUR children is the only way you can hurt us, which is why you use them as weapons and pawns in your sick twisted games, so how about you grow up realise life is too short, and that your children's happiness is actually MORE IMPORTANT THAN YOUR OWN! you may have your children now when they are young but i promise you you'll lose them when they learn the truth they will NEVER forgive you for destroying their special relationship with their dad and ensuring they had a s**t childhood, and let that be on your conscience,not that you have one or a soul or a heart or brain.
So stop punishing your children let their dads have access to them as much as you do, that is called EQUALITY.
this rant is aimed at all the dead beat"mums", i realise and recognise that the majority of mums are amazing and do the right thing by their kids by letting their father play a prominent role in their lives, as it should be. And obviously not all dads are worthy of that title either but i'm not talking about them i have as much respect for them as i do for these women that my comments are directed at.
Il be here waiting for your comments i felt it necessary to voice these facts in the lion's den so to speak, we need to be heard, fathers NEED equal rights.

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AbigailAdams · 21/10/2012 15:08

OP you keep saying if we behave better then you will. That really isn't taking responsibility for your own actions. People on here have reacted to your behaviour not the other way round. Really if you genuinely want advice you should be changing advice.

Respect should be a given not earned. We shouldn't have to give respect to you before you give it to us. That shows a level of narcissism and certainly disrespect towards women. That OP certainly wasn't respectful towards us. We actually haven't done anything to you

seeker · 21/10/2012 15:07

"*Of course children should be entitled to a relationship with both of their parents."

Well, they should be entitled to that, but it's not always possible nor desirable, sadly, in real life.

amillionyears · 21/10/2012 15:05

Either choose yourself complete with anger,and the "abuse straight back at you x10"

Or the issue,posted in a calm manner.

Pumpster · 21/10/2012 15:05

What do you want us to say? I believe that the child needs to be at the centre of every decision making process. That the family courts should be transparent and fair to all involved.

SigmundFraude · 21/10/2012 15:04

*Of course children should be entitled to a relationship with both of their parents.

amillionyears · 21/10/2012 15:01

Is this post really about you,..or the issue?

If you have to pick one,which one?

LordLurkin · 21/10/2012 15:01

JT there are a few people here who could probably give you some very good advice if you approached in a calm manner. All the swearing and ranting is not helping at all. I have very little idea of what half of your posts even said as they all got deleted, so any useful content has been lost along with the tirafdes of abuse.

I can say from experience that this place is not so much a of a lions den. I have asked for help and advice on here and despite being a man got all the help I needed and some good advice.

I feel for you with the problems you are having and hope you get all the help and support you need. But you must calm down, you are a father and that comes with responsibilities even when your child is not present. Not to mention that when this goes to court your very character and mannerisms will be put under the spotlight. If you want to talk to me privately feel free to message me on here, but you are not going to get anything out of this forum by ranting.

Good luck.

seeker · 21/10/2012 15:01

So what do you want people to say?

amillionyears · 21/10/2012 15:00

jiveturkey,you have not raised the issue well.
Does that bother you?

SigmundFraude · 21/10/2012 14:59

Of course children should be entitled to a relationship with both of their children. The courts treat men more harshly, which is an issue that needs addressing quickly.

As to your own situation jiveturkey, I can understand why you're angry, going on the few details that you've provided. Getting angry on this forum won't help you though. Have you read any sites predominantly aimed at men in your situation? Can they offer you any help? I'm not sure exactly what you want on here. If it's for people to wake up to the unfairness in family courts, well a fair few of us already are.

jiveturkey · 21/10/2012 14:59

because of some of the stupid comment iv had yes i does appear that way, hopefully you will all start to realise what this thread is actually about the shocking op drew you in but im still waiting for constructive adult comments concerning this issue stop pissing me off and il stop pissing you off i am defending myself against the individuals that are attacking me, i would love to hear what you have to say and i will respond respectfully but give me an earfull of abuse and it will be coming straight back at you x 10

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Pumpster · 21/10/2012 14:53

Yes some women do this and a lot of men treat women like shit too. Do your own research.
Am not offended btw, was merely an observation about the respect you are demanding in your aggressive manner.

Strawhatpirate · 21/10/2012 14:51

But op your language is vile, you're flaming everyone, is it really so surprising the way the other posters are reacting to you? We don't know you IRL we can only draw our conclusions based on your words and actions on this thread. You must realize your not coming across well based on the fact that loads of your posts have been deleted.

jiveturkey · 21/10/2012 14:51

im not trying to prove myself to any of you im just trying to raise a very important issue with you that affects millions of children worldwide

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scentednappyhag · 21/10/2012 14:50

JT, you're not going to get any constructive advice while you're swearing at and insulting other posters.
Also, are you looking for advice here? As most of your posts seem like you just wanted to rant about women being horrible- feminism might be the wrong topic for that kind of rant.
I hope your child gets the upbringing and life that all children deserve, and that you and your ex receive all the help you need to ensure that.

jiveturkey · 21/10/2012 14:49

@amillionyears my aim isnt to make myself look like a good or bad parent i have trying to discuss a childs human right to grow up with two loving parents

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Tiredtrout · 21/10/2012 14:49

Jive turkey you seem to be very angry with anyone who has a different viewpoint or experience to yourself. You are responding in a very aggressive way in the language that you are using, debate which is what you said you wanted isn't about mudslinging. For what it's worth there is some merit in what you say, I do meet women occasionally through work who have no intention of allowing their child contact with their father, sometimes it is justified. Personally after a relationship breakdown my ex had to be begged for money each month, he wouldn't keep to contact arrangements and eventually emigrated thus cutting his responsibility for maintenance and refusing contact. His actions were very harmful to our daughter. My current dh would never behave that way and I had always tried to encourage contact between dd and exh.

IWipeArses · 21/10/2012 14:47

We have no evidence to suggest she isn't acting in the child's best interest right now.

jiveturkey · 21/10/2012 14:45

i would love to but iv been put into a corner which iam fighting my way out, and again this isnt about me this is about a childs human right to grow up with two loving parents so why dont we talk about that instead of slagging each other because thats not what i came here to do

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IWipeArses · 21/10/2012 14:44

What were the other incidents?

jiveturkey · 21/10/2012 14:42

im not pointing fingers im stating facts that some women do this to men because they can do some research

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amillionyears · 21/10/2012 14:41

Trouble is,you are not managing to convince us that you are a better parent for the child?
You are probably showing us your worse side?
Maybe the truth is that neither of you are fit parents?

What do you think?
Why not write why you are a good parent?

eBook · 21/10/2012 14:40
Biscuit
jiveturkey · 21/10/2012 14:39

no it is not two other occasions she endangered his health

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