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Violence Against Women

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EatsBrainsAndLeaves · 30/09/2012 12:27

Just been reading this blog post which talks about women who Transition as violence against women. I agree with her.

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kim147 · 30/09/2012 23:59

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Leithlurker · 30/09/2012 23:56

Are men also mentally ill to want to transform from M to F?

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Leithlurker · 30/09/2012 23:54

You have yet to provide the evidence for that, LRD and others have asked you several times but still no show. Until you provide proper documentation that can be read by everyone, it is only your assessment of what mental state others are in.

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EatsBrainsAndLeaves · 30/09/2012 23:53

Being lesbian or gay is not a psychological disorder. Lesbian and gay people do not mutilate their bodies to be lesbian or gay

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LRDtheFeministDragon · 30/09/2012 23:53

Are you serious? Homosexuals have a psychological disorder?

No. No they do not.

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Leithlurker · 30/09/2012 23:48

No you only suggested they do so because they are mentally ill!

EatsBrainsAndLeaves · 30/09/2012 23:41

I have never suggested women have mutilating surgery for fun.

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LRDtheFeministDragon · 30/09/2012 23:29

From the preface: 'This volume covers a wide range of topics in pediatric neuroendocrinology and informs the reader of the latest scientific developments'.

It's not claiming to produce new experimental evidence.

Criticizing it for not producing new experimental evidence is therefore bizarre (and suggests the blogger hasn't actually read the preface, or possibly, anything other than the abstract).

By all means criticize it for being a shoddy piece of work ...

LRDtheFeministDragon · 30/09/2012 23:26

I've got to say, having dug, from the incomplete version of that article ('Sexual hormones and the brain: an essential alliance for sexual identity and sexual orientation.') I can find, doesn't look good. It begins with some unsupported truisms, on which I know there is contradictory research.

However, I find the blog review of it truly bizarre. The publication looks to me as if it's intended as a review of the state of the subject (ie., paediatric neuroendocrinology). Such books do not typically present new work, but rather summaries of old work - which is what this article (very poorly) does.

Maybe it's been cited to kingdom come, and that's why the blog author is so fed up with hearing it cited. But s/he doesn't say that: s/he expresses concerns with the methodology.

And eats reiterates those claims, without any further sense of the state of the field.

I am not remotely an expert, I have no clue what's going on in medicine at all. A first year med student would be immesurably better informed. So I'm not pretending I know what's going on.

So, perhaps some proper citations - and explanations - would help.

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LRDtheFeministDragon · 30/09/2012 23:19

Btw, because the specific article linked to is (as far as I can see), an article in a book and not a journal research paper, I can't access the whole thing.

So, could you link to something else that's likely to be in an online journal? That way I and others will be able to find it without having access to a specialist university library at midnight.

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LRDtheFeministDragon · 30/09/2012 23:16

I didn't say that, so I don't know why you think I am 'right'.

I didn't ask you to reveal anything personal.

I am simply asking you to provide citations - not from that blog - for the articles you've read. And expert precis so the rest of us can understand.

EatsBrainsAndLeaves · 30/09/2012 23:14

LRD you are right the existing research shows no evidence at all that there is a biological basis for gender dysphoria. And i am not revealing anything personal about myself here!

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LRDtheFeministDragon · 30/09/2012 23:11

eats, papers don't 'prove'. They demonstrate.

This is extremely basic science that a person with a good GCSE would know.

Please explain where your 'expert' opinion comes from, without reference to the blog.

Obviously, if you are an expert, you will be able to do this.

LRDtheFeministDragon · 30/09/2012 23:10

Browsing through that blog, btw, frankly, it reads as if the blogger doesn't realize she's reading the abstract of the article and not the article! I may be wrong here, but it doesn't inspire confidence.

EatsBrainsAndLeaves · 30/09/2012 23:09

How many times? Follow the link I gave you. There there are lots of citations for research papers. The research papers proving a biological origin for gender dysphoria are bunkum. That is the point.

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