Where did all the Feminists go?

LRD, I agreed on the F4J thing. Can you show me evidence of repeated invasions from PN? There was a thread a couple of weeks ago but it hardly invited invasion. And if it did, it didn't seem to work... Unless you can show me that too?

I'm not trying to be difficult, I have simply seen nothing that suggests anything of the sort, and I spend far too many hours a day on this site.

I personally couldn't give a flying fuck if a punter is a dad or anything, I do care though when they come on, derail a thread, say that what we are discussing is bullshit, rip everyone's posts to shreds, get their mates to come over and effectively silence the debate.

lrd, so do I

I did not mean for one second there are no good threads left on FWR

but what has happened is a turn around

most threads on FWR used to be intelligent debates, if a bit feisty, but they at least got you thinking

with the odd dud

now they are mostly duds with the odd shining star

that's not a good enough ratio for me

oldlady, no, I'm sure they were invasions. I googled F4J and they were actually discussing it on their boards - it was very plain to see. They weren't just 'regular dads', despite pretending to be.

YES porto - I was flamed a few times, probably because I was posting daft comments tbh. But instead of going 'waaaah bullies' I bloody learnt something.

if I stopped when told fuck off,I'd never post
but it illustrates irascibility
not profound point

Portofino, the feminist board was regorganised because a wide variety of people suggested changes that might work, so MN tried them out. MN is presumably now getting rid of any changes that didn't work.

Most of the radical feminists left because a. of what happened on FB and b. because they found more constructive ways and places to contribute to feminism. That leaves space for feminism on MN to develop in different ways, so the outcome is generally positive now (although it didn't feel that way at the time) for those who went and those who stayed.

They didn't leave because of the board reorganisation.

With the F4J thing, I'll agree there was an element of goading, and maybe even trolling. But with the supposedly-repeated "invasions" by PN, that was, and remains, mostly bollox. What some of you forget is that punters can be dads, and prostitutes (Working Girls or Service Provider in PN speak) can be mums.

And any of them can be here as day-to-day MNers too.

So when they see the topic being discussed on Active, why should they not join in?

"what is patriarchy"

"patriarchy doesn't exist and look at these stats about how men get twatted too"

everybody shuts up (who is worth listening to) or goes off on a stupid tangent (that isn't worth listening to)

fabulous

I am not enjoying the 'what do we think of this' threads. I think there's some good threads still, though. blackcurrants has a very long thread about instances of sexism and it is good, it is getting people thinking and discussing things, and I think she could feel a bit shit to think that no-one appreciates that. So I am saying that I do.

Getorf, I completely agree with you

the pure aim of FWR was wrecked, and remains wrecked

why people think it is better is beyond me

if you don't want your views challenged, I suppose it is better but that's a bit shit isn't it ?

I don't want to go on another website. I am very happy here, and really liked that section. It used to work, but just got ripped to pieces in the end. Now it is a bowdlerised version of what it used to be, with ridiculous 'what do we think of this' playschool type threads.

Personally, I don't care if someone tells me my views are wrong, or are not feminist, or have this fault and that fault. That's debate. I care when people behave like shits.

That is really all there is to it, IMO.

I agree that they had no intention of debating. They came on here to stir up shit, to insult and to grind people down. It worked.

well, yes

I didn't like it, so I went elsewhere

yup

OldLadyKnowsNothing I agree (having also been on the receiving end of accusations).

There were/are loads of goady trolls, OldLady. It's almost like they do a daily search for the word 'porn' on MN.

OldLady, but they didnt come on to discuss, they came to troll.

Getorf, me too, I've learnt so much through reading the fwr threads on here, and talking to feminist friends. Its a shame.

The threads over the summer were long and detailed.

MNHQ made their choice, and, like all other site issues the bottom line is that if you don't like it you can go elsewhere. The Internet is vast and there will be plenty of places which provide the type of forums an individual wants.

I was never convinced by the cries of MRA!, largely because I was accused of being one myself. (What, all by myself?)

Yes, there were people from F4J who came to make their arguments. And there were people who came from PN to make theirs.

It's an odd discussion forum that excludes the very people being talked about.