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Responses to gender stereotyping children

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YoullLaughAboutItOneDay · 21/09/2012 10:17

I am after a few ideas on how to handle gender stereotyping of my two daughters and I am hoping that this board is the right place to get some suggestions, not 'why does it bother you, it's fine' type stuff.

I have two daughters - 3 and 16 months. To take yesterday as an example, at playgroup DD2 was playing with a doll. Another mother was sitting next to her son, who was playing on a tractor. She says "Oh, just look at them, typical boy and typical girl." Later on I was having a chat with another mother about DD2's mad climbing (anything and everything, particularly if dangerous) and she said "Oh, just like having a boy then."

I haven't really responded to these comments, but I am conscious that particularly my three year old is old enough to really be picking up on these messages. DD2 too to an extent. I want them to feel free to be whoever they want and I am starting to feel more and more uncomfortable about them hearing this type of stuff without any correction from me. Likewise, I don't always want to start a feminist debate 20 times a day.

So, any ideas for reasonably gentle rebuttals that don't necessarily require my ten minute rant on Delusions of Gender?

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YoullLaughAboutItOneDay · 21/09/2012 13:44

How sad OneMore. I'd have been asking if DD1 could join in. Sadly that, throwing and reverse parking are areas where I conform strongly with gender stereotypes. I've never thought to ask DH whether he can climb a tree - maybe it is an area where we are deficient!

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OneMoreChap · 21/09/2012 13:39

Really, really hard.
I got rebuked by a mum for showing my daughter the best way of climbing trees.

She's now an accomplished rock climber.
Sad at "typical girl"

nickeldaisical · 21/09/2012 12:54

"why is it typical girl?"

yes, questions like that with a completely baffled face normally silence people! Grin

YoullLaughAboutItOneDay · 21/09/2012 12:51

Mousy - we are starting to get a bit of the 'for boys' thing too. Not directly from DD1, but she will say "X says i am not allowed to play with this because it is a boy's toy". My standard response is, "well X is wrong. Toys are for all children, not some for boys and some for girls".

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YoullLaughAboutItOneDay · 21/09/2012 12:49

Thanks all.

Emmeline - I think that's right. My main purpose is consistency. I don't want my DD's to see me being one person in private and another in public. At home we are pretty careful about reinforcing anything they show an interest in, etc. "Typical, hardly" is a good one to have at the back of my mind. The climbing one happens a lot and I find it a bit easier - I often say something like "No, she's the next Jessica Ennis" or "No, it's more like having a chimpanzee" (as DD2 swings from something inappropriate). It's the "Ah, typical girl" thing that totally stumps me.

Nickel - those first two are what I often want to say, but these are often women I do actually get on with other than this big area, and I don't want to be the scary lady people avoid at playgroup. I am a SAHM at the moment and I need adults who will talk to me! I could probably do the last one with a confused face though.

KRITIQ - Those are the sorts of responses I often give if I'm talking in an adult group I totally agree.

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MousyMouse · 21/09/2012 12:44

I have a boy and a girl and try to keep things 'neutral'.
now that ds is in school, he asks a lot 'is this for boys or girls' my standard answer is 'it's for both'.
for (relatively girly) dd we have a clothes rule: pink clothes are not allowed to be frilly. dc can wear what they want as long as it's weather appropriate.

nickeldaisical · 21/09/2012 12:32

"I wasn't aware that she had grown a penis in order to climb"

"i'm wearing blue today. I checked I had my penis before I did"

"We don't do gender stereotyping"

"and why can't girls climb? "

AGoldenOrange · 21/09/2012 12:31

Oh, just look at them, typical boy and typical girl. What children playing with childrens toys?

Oh, just like having a boy then." No, just being a toddler.

PunkInDublic · 21/09/2012 12:28

I think Emmeline nailed it.

My DS had a lovely dolly for a while. You need a firm stare and a growl for situations like that. I just used to say "He's playing at being Daddy" when anyone said anything. Sad how often people mentioned it though.

EmmelineGoulden · 21/09/2012 11:14

If I'm right in thinking your main purpose in responding is so that your daughter overhears a rebuttal to the stereotyping then you need something equally short and simple to comment back. A long explanation won't stick in your daughters head and may come across as less sincere.

I normally try to say something like "Typical? Hardly!" with a big smile and then maybe (out of the other parent's hearing) something like "your cousin B never plays with trucks does he DD?"

But I also think you need to accept that she will hear this stereotyping a lot and you need to do most of the work outside of these interactions with others. Mainly by giving her the confidence to hold her own against peer pressure when she wants to, lots of positive reinforcement for anything she's interested in and wide, non-gender specific, experience. Then, when she's older, the insight to understand how our society creates and polices gender norms.

KRITIQ · 21/09/2012 10:42

Perhaps the best way is to just respond in a matter of fact way.

For example with the first comment about "typical boy and typical girl," perhaps say one or two of the following sentences, "Actually, she also loves playing with tractors and tool sets. If I had a son, I would hope he would play with tea sets and dolls. I think it's so important children have the opportunity to be what they want to be and not be pushed into doing things adults think they SHOULD because they are boys or girls. I think it's so important that boys get a chance to be nurturing and caring and girls get a chance to be active and make things so they will be more rounded adults."

With the second scenario, try something similar, maybe like, "Oh, when I was a child, I was very active, more active even than my brother and I'm glad my daughter is so she'll be likely to remain fit, healthy and happy about her body. I'm quite concerned about so many girls being reluctant to do sport because they feel bad about how they look, so I want to encourage her to be active and healthy all I can," or even a slightly more sharp, short and sweet, "No, I just have a healthy, happy, active daughter."

Basically, it's not accusing the other parent of being "wrong," but stating what YOU feel to be the truth and why. That's less likely to be confrontational and most likely to be seen as "food for thought" rather than an insult.

However, that's not saying that other parents won't SEE your comments as an insult to them. They will firmly believe their views are right, are common sense, are natural, and you are the cranky one, trying to upset the apple cart with all your hippified, feminist claptrap about boys and girls not being all that different, not born "hard wired" to be princesses or pirates, choose the blue toy or the pink, etc. They will have invested alot in this "it's only natural for boys and girls to be different," crap, not just for their children, but perhaps in their own relationships.

So, be prepared to not be popular, but at least you'll keep your dignity and integrity. And, you never know when some of your pearls of wisdom might strike a chord, might make them think just that little bit differently about things, might lead them to do something a bit differently. It's always worth a try, and you'll keep more of your sanity than if you nod and smile as though you agree with them. Good luck!

strandednomore · 21/09/2012 10:27

You know, you could do a study on my two daughters. As far as I know, I have brought them up pretty well the same. The oldest (now 7) is a total "tom boy" - won't wear dresses or skirts, is the only girl in her year to wear shorts in the summer and trousers all through the winter, loves to climb, play sports, is into science, maths, "facts", will only read books that are "smelly and stinky", hates anything girly or pink, her best friend is a boy. Although she does have feminine characteristics if that makes sense - she is quite caring and nurturing, loves role play, school games etc. Then her sister, 4, is as "girly" as they come - loves all things pink and princessy, very creative, loves to sing and dance....I understand what you are saying as they do pick up on things and I worry about how things are going to go for my eldest but I think they will be what they will be whatever you do. Not sure that's any help!

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