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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

In this day and age! A thread for unbelievably obvious examples of sexism.

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blackcurrants · 18/09/2012 12:31

A thread for "I can't believe that just happened to me! In this day and age!"

Yesterday we spent about 40 minutes in a Toyota dealership, looking to spend about $10k on a used car. The salesman only asked DH's name, only wrote down DH's number, and only talked to DH about the cars available. DH kept referring to me, asking my opinion, and generally looking uncomfortable. Eventually DH snatched back his license from the salesman and said "No, I don't think so. Let's go." And as I turned I added "Joe? Thank you for your help today. I work in sales and I wanted you to know that since I walked in here you haven't asked me a single question, or addressed me directly even once. At one point you walked away from me, talking to my husband about the next car you were showing us, so that I couldn't hear what you said. I just want you to know that I earn more than my husband (actually not yet true, but soon will be!), I know more about cars than my husband (v.true), and you acted like I didn't exist. Which is why we're leaving."

When I got into our car, DH was cheering. We drove 5 miles away and bought a nissan.

As we were doing the dishes last night, talking about this, DH said "I do hope you tell Mumsnet about it." Grin he knows me so well.

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PfftTheMagicDraco · 28/09/2012 21:04

Taking - it's awful because their attitude is just as offensive to your assistant as it is to you, and women. The idea that what, the job is beneath him, because he is a man? Offensive to women, and to men!

blackcurrants · 28/09/2012 21:04

A significant victory! Nice one! :)

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EduCated · 28/09/2012 20:48

So I complained to Wagamamas. They tried to phone me but I missed it and was too nervous to phone back Blush

They've now written to me to say they've spoken to all the staff and have reminded them that they should ask whose card it is and not assume.

A small victory? Smile

blackcurrants · 28/09/2012 12:45

aah, see, Infinity - it's absolutely fine for anyone to wait on me, any time they like
[I need a 'where's my palanquin?' emoticon]

Congratulations, Weather - it sounds like you and your lovely H have a super job for parenting. We've really benefited from H being a teacher (even though there's only unpaid paternity leave - which he has to take out of his holiday! - and I never got any maternity leave for DS1) because he does the dropoff at daycare and picks him up and is back and playing with trains/making dinner/ at the park before I'm off the train. It's lovely having a job that you can both make work.

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TakingTheStairs · 28/09/2012 11:25

drjohnsonscat I've already had to point out that there is no need for him to sit in the main office, he can sit in reception as every other temp has.
And no, it won't be weird for people to see - shock- a guy on reception.

Congratulations Weather

GuybrushThreepwodWasHere · 28/09/2012 11:09

Weather congratulations Grin

WeatherWitch · 28/09/2012 10:59

I'm only 9+3 so haven't admitted it formally yet - this conversation happened long before I was even pregnant! And we're military so it's more a case of several months without DC, so I can sort of understand the comments about feeling differently about leaving them, but the fact that they haven't said it to DH (who is probably more excited than me about DC1!) is the bit that annoys me.

Snatch - yes, will be sending exactly that sort of email. Also looking forward to telling them that, under the new maternity/paternity shared leave thing, I'll be taking the first 6 months off and DH will then have the next 6 off. Can see that one going down like a shit sandwich, but it's in our T&Cs that we can :)

InfinityWelcomesCarefulDrivers · 28/09/2012 10:56

In fairness, it makes me feel very awkward when anyone serves me. Which is stupid I know. I'd probably be less bothered by a man doing it though.

drjohnsonscat · 28/09/2012 10:47

I have a male PA (who is great). I have to encourage others to allow him to serve teas to guests at meetings. Somehow it makes them uncomfortable.

TheDoctrineOfSnatch · 28/09/2012 10:44

Weather how about an email "As per our discussions on XX september, I am writing to confirm that after my return from maternity leave, XX will be happening." Then any further comments you can refer them back to your email.

TakingTheStairs · 28/09/2012 10:40

Yesterday... only fucking yesterday, one of the Partners where I worked was incredulous because the temp I've hired as an office junior to do the lunch runs, make the tea etc is a guy.
Him - You can't have a male secretary, that's ridiculous
Me - He's not going to be a PA, he's doing the jobs that you said we needed someone for. Keeping an eye on the kitchen, grabbing the lunches etc
Him - surely we should have got a chick for that.

A chick!!!!!!
And now because I refused to back down and look for another candidate, the new guy (who hasn't even started yet!) is being referred to as my "toy boy".

I want to smack the Partner. As I explained to our (female) C.O.O., I don't expect to change his caveman attitude but I do expect him to know what he should and shouldn't say in the workplace.

And for the record, I'd love to change his attitude but one step at a time. This guys is also very proud that he has never changed a nappy and his child is 16 months old. He thinks it makes him more of a man.
My eyeballs hurt from rolling my eyes so much.

drjohnsonscat · 28/09/2012 10:38

Yes you will feel differently when you have a baby - you'll be even keener to get away and will probably have to fight off DH over who gets to do the overnight stays in a hotel Grin. Nothing better imho than a baby at home being looked after while you are in a hotel with peace and quiet and breakfast alone.

GuybrushThreepwodWasHere · 28/09/2012 10:31

Weather I get the same reaction...

'Your DH is doing some childcare... that's awfully kind of him'

err... no... that's just him being a parent!

and on that note... Progress

InfinityWelcomesCarefulDrivers · 28/09/2012 09:22

ahh Weather you'll feel differently when the baby is born...

only joking, sorry

HazleNutt · 28/09/2012 09:19

Ah weather you didn't understand, obviously you need to make a different decision.. Hmm

WeatherWitch · 28/09/2012 09:17

DH and I work for the same organisation and both travel. If we have children, they will make sure that only one of us goes away so that there's one available to provide childcare. We've already agreed that after DC1 is born, I'll carry on going away and he'll stay at home (not least because he's been away most of the past 10 years and is utterly fed up of it, whereas I've had it pretty easy). Every time I mention this in a formal context, I'm told "You'll feel differently about your career once you have babies" (well yes, probably - but you're not saying this to DH are you?). Last time I was told "You and DH need to sit down and make a decision over who carries on going away." WE HAVE!!! I JUST TOLD YOU WHAT IT WAS!!! Just because it's not the answer you want/expect doesn't mean it isn't the answer. Grrrr.

InfinityWelcomesCarefulDrivers · 28/09/2012 09:03

oops sorry, not sure what happened, it's this one

TheDoctrineOfSnatch · 28/09/2012 08:58

Infinity your link is broken...

InfinityWelcomesCarefulDrivers · 28/09/2012 08:53

No one is replying to my thread so I thought this would be the place to link it - "news" item on local radio station about mums having to get organised so they don't crash into all those men driving perfectly to work.

TheDoctrineOfSnatch · 28/09/2012 08:48

Pfft and Belfast I just checked Twitter and Tesco are going to change all signs by Oct 15. They have already done it in the one near me so didnt realise it wasn't everywhere!

IdCalUaCuntBtUvNtGotTheDepth · 28/09/2012 02:31

Well if you're offended by it you should probably leave mumsnet altogether tbf as it's used pretty frequently. I recently saw a fb status that said, "I would call you a cunt but you haven't got the warmth or depth" which I found hilarious... had to work it in to my name some how.

captainmummy · 27/09/2012 15:31

Idcal - because you went to enormous lengths to include a (in my opinion) hardcore swear word in your NN and I wondered if your essex DH was offended. I find it offensive, because it's one of the few words that still shock me now (in my old age).

blackcurrants · 27/09/2012 15:27

It's a fascinating insight, though Nickel

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nickeldaisical · 27/09/2012 15:13

sorry, I realise that waffle was a complete tangent and nothing to do with the article....

nickeldaisical · 27/09/2012 15:12

I wonder if that's the reason why my careers advisor at school was reluctant to listen to me with my career choice, Hazle.

I wanted to carry on and do A-levels because I wanted to be an engineer. For some reason, I was told that it was a bad idea to do maths and physics and German at A-Level as it narrowed my options. I wanted to include German because Germany was, at the time, the forefront of engineering in the world - everything was designed there, and I decided that if I wanted to be an engineer, it made most sense to speak the language of engineering.

I can't remember exactly what happened then, but I'm sure I was being led in the direction of doing a vocational course or apprenticeship in order to be an engineer [guffaw]
Obviously, the only career in engineering was car mechanic... Wink

I was rung as soon as my GCSEs were over by a woman from the YTS trying to sign me up for "engineering".
(desperate to get girls into engineering)
I didn't want that kind of engineering - I wanted the proper stuff!!